2021 Delivery Date?
#1711
Burning Brakes
#1712
It's changed. TYD says it's on the vessel.
#1713
Instructor
Hey, be happy it is moving along. I got a notice that mine was completed and then at Emden several days after their own date says it was completed. Now, it has been sitting there for over a week, and I just got a picture. It still estimates delivery to dealer as Jan 1. Now, if the damn thing would just get on its way that’d be nice!
#1714
Burning Brakes
From your screen shot the red progress dot is not On Vessel and estimated date is 12/18...if actually on vessel the red dot would be there and it would have actual date. It looks like it's in progress because you have ship name but task isn't completed on TYD yet.
#1715
Rennlist Member
When mine when through the process back in mid-October TYD behaved the same way as Muhney's. The name of the vessel appeared on TYD right away when the vehicle was loaded on the ship, and then "estimated" to "actual" date didn't switch over until the vessel left Emden. Since the Viking Bravery is in port at Emden right now, I'd say Muhney's pretty safe in saying it's on the boat and should be en route within another day or so.
#1716
Rennlist Member
While I don't subscribe to the conspiracy theories of ulterior motives at Porsche, the California government shutdown theory doesn't hold much water either given the number of other 2021 brands (including those within the VW group) that have already been certified. Porsche is notably much later than the majority of others. My guess is that this is a result of oversight on Porsche's part in terms of starting the process late -- possibly due to Covid on their end.......
Regarding communication, it is extremely frustrating that no clear answer or guidance is available from PCNA. The parallel that I am familiar with is review by and negotiation with FDA. Public disclosure of process or issues by the "sponsor" is, let's say, "frowned upon." You are literally at the mercy of the reviewers and they do not appreciate being publicly criticized or blamed for delays, and they can and will make you pay for it. Again, just speculating and suspect we mere mortals will never know the whole story.
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gymdent (11-27-2020)
#1717
That is the old screen shot that was updated before I posted the changes. It hasn't "officially" been loaded yet. But it has been moved up.
#1718
Instructor
Where on the TYD app is the pic of the car supposed to be? Am I correct in assuming that not everyone has one?
#1719
Wow that is amazing. I will be the first to admit that I do not know much about CARB but if it has been around since 1967 and cars that are EPA certified are for the most part CARB certified that brings about two possibilities.
1. CARB has been really beneficial and in order to meet CARB certification it has meant that manufacturers have had go over and above EPA Requirements and so the environment of NON CARB states is benefitting from the work CARB states are doing
or alternatively
2. EPA certification is more than adequate and that CARB has just added another level of complexity and bureaucracy. that is neither needed nor beneficial to us ir the environment
I am guessing it is the latter but as stated I know little about CARB and in my post turkey malaise I have little energy to dig deeper - EITHER WAY JUST RELEASE THE FRIGGIN CARS ALREADY !!!!!
1. CARB has been really beneficial and in order to meet CARB certification it has meant that manufacturers have had go over and above EPA Requirements and so the environment of NON CARB states is benefitting from the work CARB states are doing
or alternatively
2. EPA certification is more than adequate and that CARB has just added another level of complexity and bureaucracy. that is neither needed nor beneficial to us ir the environment
I am guessing it is the latter but as stated I know little about CARB and in my post turkey malaise I have little energy to dig deeper - EITHER WAY JUST RELEASE THE FRIGGIN CARS ALREADY !!!!!
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comis_hq (11-27-2020)
#1720
Also remember that TYD is a backwards looking system and so when it states that a phase has been completed then it is complete and mostly accurate however the forward looking dates often remain very inaccurate
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gymdent (11-27-2020)
#1721
Instructor
Wow that is amazing. I will be the first to admit that I do not know much about CARB but if it has been around since 1967 and cars that are EPA certified are for the most part CARB certified that brings about two possibilities.
1. CARB has been really beneficial and in order to meet CARB certification it has meant that manufacturers have had go over and above EPA Requirements and so the environment of NON CARB states is benefitting from the work CARB states are doing
or alternatively
2. EPA certification is more than adequate and that CARB has just added another level of complexity and bureaucracy. that is neither needed nor beneficial to us ir the environment
I am guessing it is the latter but as stated I know little about CARB and in my post turkey malaise I have little energy to dig deeper - EITHER WAY JUST RELEASE THE FRIGGIN CARS ALREADY !!!!!
1. CARB has been really beneficial and in order to meet CARB certification it has meant that manufacturers have had go over and above EPA Requirements and so the environment of NON CARB states is benefitting from the work CARB states are doing
or alternatively
2. EPA certification is more than adequate and that CARB has just added another level of complexity and bureaucracy. that is neither needed nor beneficial to us ir the environment
I am guessing it is the latter but as stated I know little about CARB and in my post turkey malaise I have little energy to dig deeper - EITHER WAY JUST RELEASE THE FRIGGIN CARS ALREADY !!!!!
#1722
Burning Brakes
Last edited by gohawks23; 11-27-2020 at 02:39 PM.
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gymdent (11-27-2020)
#1723
LOL, new style Cabriolet. I'm sure you are the first to own one.
#1724
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Regarding communication, it is extremely frustrating that no clear answer or guidance is available from PCNA. The parallel that I am familiar with is review by and negotiation with FDA. Public disclosure of process or issues by the "sponsor" is, let's say, "frowned upon." You are literally at the mercy of the reviewers and they do not appreciate being publicly criticized or blamed for delays, and they can and will make you pay for it. Again, just speculating and suspect we mere mortals will never know the whole story.[/QUOTE]
This is exactly what I was thinking. These various governmental agencies have tremendous power; not doing something that might unnecessarily slow the process would be a good business decision by PCNA, even it means compromising communications with customers. This is the same choice I would make. The unhappiness and impatience of some customers might be unavoidable collateral damage, with minimal long term implications. Once we get our cars, the vast majority of us will forget about the delay. These cars we order are not an easily replaceable commodity; most of us order these cars because we want this somewhat unique product, and we will likely order variations on them over and over, regardless of periodic hiccups and delays.
Regarding communication, it is extremely frustrating that no clear answer or guidance is available from PCNA. The parallel that I am familiar with is review by and negotiation with FDA. Public disclosure of process or issues by the "sponsor" is, let's say, "frowned upon." You are literally at the mercy of the reviewers and they do not appreciate being publicly criticized or blamed for delays, and they can and will make you pay for it. Again, just speculating and suspect we mere mortals will never know the whole story.[/QUOTE]
This is exactly what I was thinking. These various governmental agencies have tremendous power; not doing something that might unnecessarily slow the process would be a good business decision by PCNA, even it means compromising communications with customers. This is the same choice I would make. The unhappiness and impatience of some customers might be unavoidable collateral damage, with minimal long term implications. Once we get our cars, the vast majority of us will forget about the delay. These cars we order are not an easily replaceable commodity; most of us order these cars because we want this somewhat unique product, and we will likely order variations on them over and over, regardless of periodic hiccups and delays.