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GT3 Mike (12-30-2023),
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#4832
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#4833
I agree around $220k and hard to believe a 2016 gt3 (10 years later) had a base of $132k, not mentioning the increase in PTS and other options.
#4834
what good mojo do you think the .2 Touring will get? It won’t get LWFW out of drivability and longevity concerns. It won’t get carbon body panels everywhere due to cost. It will still have rear steer and will likely still have much more sound deadening to keep it somewhat tolerable to drive daily. So other than an upgraded motor and some suspension/interior changes what other Mojo is there? Not being snotty, just realistic in how mid-cycle upgrades typically work
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#4835
The only way Porsche will maintain the trend of price increases is 1. The need to have better visual appeal, 2. They'll need to provide interiors that compete with brands at that same price point, and 3. Realize the Porsche buyers they're used to will fizzle.
The 3RS though is what has brought Porsche up in popularity amongst the masses due to its bold design, the limited production 992 cars were for those Porsche around had in their pocket.
Porsche at the user's end has a price cap. What that figure is time will tell. The question has been asked numerous times, is or isn't Porsche a "supercar". Well with "supercar" pricing they have to bring a better product to the table. Ferrari has done a great job of understanding this, and so has Lambo. 2 brands I find repulsive due to the excessively flashy nature of the vehicles, but the sure know how to keep the performance benchmark moving forward to consumers consistently willing to pay top dollar.
The only real solution to this is what many will cringe over.... moving beyond the flat 6 NA or taking a hybrid drive train approach and not just an e-torque system.
#4836
Last edited by Justaroofer; 12-30-2023 at 11:18 AM.
#4837
Au contraire. In the right hands (feet?), the ST will likely prove as durable as it needs to be. The proper context of "delicate" is the ST's bespoke clutch wasn't designed to endure the abuse of those inexperienced with a manual.
#4838
I am so sick of your moaning.
Man get a life and post on thread where you actually like what your spending your time posting about.
No one hear wants to hear your BS.
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#4839
So you disagree? A "drivers car" should have parts with a short shelf life? If its a full out race motor sure that's fine as I'm used to 20k-40k engine/ trans overhauls after hard and heavy beatings.... but those are at max effort and heavily modified.
You feel truly in this premise? No? Yes?
#4840
You're like the kid on the playground that just talks a bunch of sh*t to himself in the corner, convinced of knowing it all. Give it a rest dude.
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#4842
Right and I agree. The tricky part is with the FW being light and the Torque of the flat 6 already so low there will be alot of these burnt up quickly with folks trying to "feel" for the grab of the clutch. I think these cars could also benefit from a shorter shift design further aiding in minimal clutch drag between shifts at WOT runs. The shift height that's there now is for matter of comfort with the arm rest.
#4843
So instead of arguing like a female and letting your feelings cloud facts. You agree or disagree? Durability isn't important in a drivers car? Your sentence is all I was Citing. If you struggle to answer a simple question whether agreed or disagreed, maybe forums aren't for you. Just a thought.
#4844
The problem is youre too ignorant to understand. Just buy(or should I say lease) your ST and enjoy. Leave the real performance cars to the grown men. We'll offer you a joy ride when your clutch is blown lmao.
Last edited by Justaroofer; 12-30-2023 at 01:55 PM.
#4845
If you watched or read any of the reviews you'd know that, while different, the clutch feel is fine.
You don't even have to look far. In the most recent video shared, Camissa said "if you, an automotive engineer, want to know what clutch take up should feel like and how a clutch should engage, it's this—it's just perfection. From the short-shift to the clutch take up to the engine response to the whole thing. As a package, the powertrain is 10 point 0."
You don't even have to look far. In the most recent video shared, Camissa said "if you, an automotive engineer, want to know what clutch take up should feel like and how a clutch should engage, it's this—it's just perfection. From the short-shift to the clutch take up to the engine response to the whole thing. As a package, the powertrain is 10 point 0."