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11-25-2022 | 01:54 PM
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11-25-2022 | 01:55 PM
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From: The way to hell is paved by good intentions “Wenn ich Purist höre...entsichere ich meinen Browning” "Myths are fuel for marketing (and nowadays for flippers too,,,)" time to time is not sufficient to be a saint, you must be also an Hero
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AlexCeres (11-25-2022)
11-25-2022 | 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Thescout13
This came directly from the mouth of BMWNA’s CEO at a BMW M History meet at the Greenville plant a few weeks ago where the car was previewed to a few groups. But, sure.
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11-25-2022 | 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by signes;[url=tel:18483640
18483640[/url]]He was referring to your comment which was regarding the ST. Not the CSL.
11-28-2022 | 03:02 AM
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From: The way to hell is paved by good intentions “Wenn ich Purist höre...entsichere ich meinen Browning” "Myths are fuel for marketing (and nowadays for flippers too,,,)" time to time is not sufficient to be a saint, you must be also an Hero
How many iphones i have to buy for the exclusivity?
11-30-2022 | 07:30 PM
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i wouldnt be surprised to see the 4.2 and a manual.
This car will be lauched at the end of production of the 992.1 when the 992.2 carrera sit along side of it in showrooms.
This car will be lauched at the end of production of the 992.1 when the 992.2 carrera sit along side of it in showrooms.
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C.J. Ichiban (12-05-2022)
12-01-2022 | 10:34 AM
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I am struggling to see how the ST as descibed above justifies a huge amount over a high spec touring. My touring has a 6 speed, an exclusive interior in crayon and the mule pics of the ST look just like a 992 touring to my eyes with a space for a heritage badge on the rear.
I hope I am missing something.
Waat would be amazing and I know this is an unrealistic wish list:
- Rear seats as an option
- A road focused suspension comfy on the street like the 991 touring
- 50 to 100hp more than a 992 touring
- significant weight savings over a touring without removing too much sound deadening (this is my biggest gripe about the 992 touring)
- titanium exhaust
- duck tail and other amazing styling
I hope I am missing something.
Waat would be amazing and I know this is an unrealistic wish list:
- Rear seats as an option
- A road focused suspension comfy on the street like the 991 touring
- 50 to 100hp more than a 992 touring
- significant weight savings over a touring without removing too much sound deadening (this is my biggest gripe about the 992 touring)
- titanium exhaust
- duck tail and other amazing styling
I hope the ST isn't the SC recipe but applied on the GT3.
Here is what I have concluded:
+ We know the engine will be from the RS so +15hp from a gt3, unless it uses a 4.2L. Seems 4.2L is unlikely.
+ We know the RS is a bit wider with wider rubber so the ST should have that going for it.
+ The ST will have the heritage styling.
+ some weight weight reduction? Enough to be noticeable?
+ Limited production numbers
+ LWFW?
- We know the RS is all about active aero and downforce which the ST will not have.
- The ST will have the same manual gearbox as the gt3
- The GT3 touring already has the exclusive interior options which would likely be able to mimic the heritage interior of the ST.
Given the above, I am hoping the ST will have a 4.2L otherwise it is essentially a gt3 touring with some stickers and an unnoticable power bump for 50% more than a gt3. Furthermore It will likely cost more than a 3rs.
The only other thing I can hope for is exposed carbon stripes like the Turbo S Exclusive.
Apart from the exposed carbon or a 4.2L I can't see this car justifying thr price tag of what is likely 50% more than a gt3.
The 911R was so special because people believed it to be the last manual porsche with 4.0 and LWFW. Maybe their is something more special to the ST? I am still hoping for a 4.2L as this would jusitfy the price delta.
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12-01-2022 | 10:53 AM
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12-01-2022 | 11:55 AM
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12-01-2022 | 12:21 PM
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Unlike the SC, the ST will be a Motorsport (GT team) product. It won’t have the track performance of some other GT products, but it will be a special (and expensive limited car) with high driver satisfaction. If it doesn’t make sense to you, save yourself the money (and likely frustration of trying to order one if not a VIP) and skip it.
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