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Old 08-02-2023 | 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by soulsea
A+ take … the car that spawned not only the return of the manual transmission to the GT lineup and birthed the Touring was worse than the RS.



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A lot of you seem pretty sure of yourselves and your opinion of a car you’ve never driven nor even had a single review of.

It’s like sharing your thoughts and feelings on the sexual skills of the supermodel that you never met or saw **** of.

I nor anyone else has any idea if the complete package will be special to drive or not … but it’s pretty telling as to what’s driving your thoughts if they’ve already become this strong.

u had me at sexual skills and super models. link pls
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Old 08-02-2023 | 02:37 AM
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Originally Posted by 4carl
supposedly??
Claimed…

I don’t have any hard evidence. But AP and others have said it contributed to significantly faster laps. I’ve never compared the same model with and without rear steer, so I don’t even have a subjective impression (not to mention objective evidence)
Old 08-02-2023 | 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3
Yeah, we just happen to be poor working stiffs. I'm guilty of liking the new toys and my 997 is as about as antique as I'll go. Besides, it's nice to have the "auto save" nannies on when trying to set PB lap times going for the DE cup. I think me pushing one of your antiques on the track would scare the living hell out of me.
I scared spyerx

hell I scared myself too
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Old 08-02-2023 | 02:41 AM
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Now that configurator is up, the Mag wheels look to be identical size specs as GT3, despite Auto Build video where they claimed custom widths and offsets.

I guess these will be available for GT3 at some price north of $20k.
Old 08-02-2023 | 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by MaxLTV
I do not like or care about any of these things, but I feel like I need to order the car anyway. I don't even know why. Probably because AP and the other guys say it's the coolest one. But then, I like my wings, RWS, PDK, and chunky tires, and I'd miss all that every time I drove ST, so it's almost like I have to stick with the incoming RS. I guess I want to own ST but drive RS.

Are you getting the ST?
u me and stephen lol

no one sells me ST. else i’ll get one just to see how much grocery it can hold. gt3 took $900 of food from costco
Old 08-02-2023 | 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by soulsea
A+ take … the car that spawned not only the return of the manual transmission to the GT lineup and birthed the Touring was worse than the RS.
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A lot of you seem pretty sure of yourselves and your opinion of a car you’ve never driven nor even had a single review of.
It’s like sharing your thoughts and feelings on the sexual skills of the supermodel that you never met or saw **** of.
I nor anyone else has any idea if the complete package will be special to drive or not … but it’s pretty telling as to what’s driving your thoughts if they’ve already become this strong.
See this is where you’re mistaken. Porsche, if anything, is remarkably consistent and iterative. They literally (well ok I’ll give the super cars a pass) never release a generation or a model that is a massive WOW over the previous, its iterative. It’s 60 years of progress. Jump a generation or 2, ok, you get some substantial moves, but, it’s iterative. That is their plan,that is their approach. It is what makes the 911 the 911.

So you and we all know EXACTLY how this will drive and feel. It will drive and feel exactly like a 992 touring, with maybe a little more chassis stiffness (suspension calibration), maybe it’ll have a little different tuning on the exhaust note, oh and maybe a few other things like some calibration on the steering feel. Maybe you’ll think the lack or rws is good, or bad. Maybe you’ll think it ‘pulls harder and more agressive because of the gearing or the 15hp difference’ But those will likely be perceptions vs. reality.

But I will guarantee, you will know it’s a 911, it will feel like a 911, and it will feel like every other 992gt they have made.

Since I seriously doubt you’re ****ing super models, you probably dont know what that feels like. But, you do know what a 911 feels like. There’s your 911 ST

But it will have an ST label!


Originally Posted by skafia
The single mass flywheel is what makes this car. It was special in the 997.2 3RS, 911R and will be special in this car.
Bull****. There is nothing special about a lwfw other than free-er revving and the noise that comes with it. I have 3 cars with LWFW in them, they are good, but they don’t “make the car”

Originally Posted by timothymoffat
If this runs out of revs at 186mph this will be one very shortly geared car. They've been shortening the gearing a fair bit on GT 911s (and the 4RS) since the 991.1 GT3 came out 10 years ago. It's details like this that make the car. It won't be an interstate car with that gearing, all the better to take the squiggly route.
They have to keep gearing them shorter, the power is all up high in the revs and to get any acceleration you need shorter stack. Plus, more shifting is ‘enthusiast’ right? I guess i should know, have a short stack in my 71, it revs to 8500+ like a gt3… most power up around 7k. Has gt3 rods in it!

Oh, and to try and keep up with the soccer mom EVs that out accelerate all these sports cars in stop light races.

Originally Posted by mooty
I scared spyerx
hell I scared myself too
I think you only scared me a little in the grey 911. Ok, maybe in the CGT when it jumps 1/2 a lane over that rut. IS that still there?
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Old 08-02-2023 | 02:54 AM
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everyone wants short gears. just step on ur. not many use 9000 rpm. I donr wanr shirt gears. I hit reflow too fast.
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Originally Posted by Spyerx
They have to keep gearing them shorter, the power is all up high in the revs and to get any acceleration you need shorter stack.
Yes, for acceleration. But it makes it more difficult to meet fuel consumption and emissions standards, so I'm a little (happily) surprised to see it.
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May be too much to ask- but bring back the regular door handles on all 911 going forward. Lets not reinvent something that is not broken.
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Old 08-02-2023 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Spyerx
So you and we all know EXACTLY how this will drive and feel. It will drive and feel exactly like a 992 touring, with maybe a little more chassis stiffness (suspension calibration), maybe it’ll have a little different tuning on the exhaust note, oh and maybe a few other things like some calibration on the steering feel. Maybe you’ll think the lack or rws is good, or bad. Maybe you’ll think it ‘pulls harder and more agressive because of the gearing or the 15hp difference’ But those will likely be perceptions vs. reality.

But I will guarantee, you will know it’s a 911, it will feel like a 911, and it will feel like every other 992gt they have made.

Since I seriously doubt you’re ****ing super models, you probably dont know what that feels like. But, you do know what a 911 feels like. There’s your 911 ST

But it will have an ST label!
And if anyone didn’t know how it would drive, why would people be lining up to over pay for this car??
Old 08-02-2023 | 08:19 AM
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I’m surprised 8% shorter gearing takes off 13 mph from the top speed compared to a normal GT3 Touring. Back when the 997.2 GT3 RS 3.8 came out it had 13% shorter gearing compared to the standard GT3, but the top speed was only claimed to be 1 mph less. Same 15 horsepower difference and the weight difference between the ST and GT3 Touring is even greater.
Old 08-02-2023 | 08:25 AM
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Substantially less car than 3RS for more money. The car makes sense at $200k. At $300k, it’s a pure money grab, easy extra $200 million profit for Porsche. I wonder if AP gets a commission.

I would only buy it at MSRP in order to flip it in 1-2 years.
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Old 08-02-2023 | 08:50 AM
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And just like that the GT3 “Touring” trim became obsolete…
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