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Old 08-01-2023, 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by mooty
I hank him too for the great show.

bring me BBQ when you get up here for monterey
Do they have good Texas style BBQ in Monterey? A few people at COTA told me that California cows are too liberal to taste as good the Texas cows.
Old 08-01-2023, 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by mooty
I hank him too for the great show.

bring me BBQ when you get up here for monterey
The smoked salmon, oysters, and champaigne is free at The Quail. The ST should be there. August 18th.


Old 08-01-2023, 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Diablo Dude
The smoked salmon, oysters, and champaigne is free at The Quail. The ST should be there. August 18th.
I don’t think it will be at car week
Old 08-01-2023, 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by cosmos
I don’t think it will be at car week
https://www.peninsula.com/en/signatu...ts/motorsports

Porsche's Philip Mauney is in town.
Just a guess that the ST might be there.




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Old 08-01-2023, 11:53 PM
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Old 08-01-2023, 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by GrantG
In the Pistonheads video, AP mentioned running out of revs in 6th gear at 186mph. I did the math and it looks close to 199 mph at redline to me (if engine is making enough power there) without Vmax electronic limiting. Pretty sure stock GT3 gearing is at least 24 mph per 1,000 rpm and 8% less gives just over 22 mph per 1,000 rpm.

At 186 mph, the engine will be turning 8,455 rpm which is pretty close to peak power. Just splitting hairs - would love the lower gears
If this runs out of revs at 186mph this will be one very shortly geared car. They've been shortening the gearing a fair bit on GT 911s (and the 4RS) since the 991.1 GT3 came out 10 years ago. It's details like this that make the car. It won't be an interstate car with that gearing, all the better to take the squiggly route.
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Old 08-02-2023, 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by mooty
TLDR
some like stick
some like no wing
some like puke blue
some like sh$t brown
some even prefer LWFW, the dumbest thing on street cars... heavy flywheel is where its at
some say it's lighter, I think ppl need to lose some wt.. and do some cardio
I just want he "ST" I buy label I am vain....
I do need to learn how to drive stick shift first however.
I do not like or care about any of these things, but I feel like I need to order the car anyway. I don't even know why. Probably because AP and the other guys say it's the coolest one. But then, I like my wings, RWS, PDK, and chunky tires, and I'd miss all that every time I drove ST, so it's almost like I have to stick with the incoming RS. I guess I want to own ST but drive RS.

Are you getting the ST?
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Originally Posted by timothymoffat
If this runs out of revs at 186mph this will be one very shortly geared car.
Done worry - it’ll be very nice gearing if 8% shorter than GT3. Sounds ideal to me…
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Old 08-02-2023, 12:06 AM
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Very interesting car. I’m much more interested in a Spyder RS, but cheers to everyone on RL
who lands one of these ST beauties!

I must also mention that although I love AP, I wonder if he was a lawyer in another life, the way he can bend the truth so smoothly.

I distinctly remember the 991.1 GT videos with AP, where he defended the 15 kilo weight of RWS, because RWS effectively shrunk the long 991 wheelbase, and made the car more stable and more agile simultaneously.

I distinctly remember the catchpole vid with AP, where AP emphasized that the harmonics of the 991.2 engine were such that if customers tried to attach a LWFW to their GT cars that it would destroy the engine!

somehow both of these things no longer apply to the ST…..?

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Old 08-02-2023, 12:07 AM
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I want this badly
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Old 08-02-2023, 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Drifting
Very interesting car. I’m much more interested in a Spyder RS, but cheers to everyone on RL
who lands one of these ST beauties!

I must also mention that although I love AP, I wonder if he was a lawyer in another life, the way he can bend the truth so smoothly.

I distinctly remember the 991.1 GT videos with AP, where he defended the 15 kilo weight of RWS, because RWS effectively shrunk the long 991 wheelbase, and made the car more stable and more agile simultaneously.

I distinctly remember the catchpole vid with AP, where AP emphasized that the harmonics of the 991.2 engine were such that if customers tried to attach a LWFW to their GT cars that it would destroy the engine!

someone both of these things no longer apply to the ST…..?
Yep, AP is almost as good at marketing as product development.
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Old 08-02-2023, 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Diablo Dude
The smoked salmon, oysters, and champaigne is free at The Quail. The ST should be there. August 18th.
All sources that discuss in person debut have stated Rennsport at the end of September.

But I hope you're right and it's sooner
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Old 08-02-2023, 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by PTS
All sources that discuss in person debut have stated Rennsport at the end of September.

But I hope you're right and it's sooner
That is what I was told as well
Old 08-02-2023, 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Diablo Dude
https://www.peninsula.com/en/signatu...ts/motorsports

Porsche's Philip Mauney is in town.
Just a guess that the ST might be there.
I stand by my statement. And not sure what Philip has to do with the ST being shown at quail. I can text him and ask if you want.
Old 08-02-2023, 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by PTS
When do we expect the driving reviews to drop?
Probably at least October at the earliest, and that would necessitate somewhere that wouldn’t require winter tires; it will likely be primarily a road driving event given the car is supposed to be oriented toward that discipline. The launch event may not even be planned yet. The journalists with the best access to PAG - NOT necessarily PCNA - will get invited to the first / best wave of that event, and most of those are the type that will also have an opportunity to drive the car before the official event. E.g., I have a friend who is a German *industry* journalist - think the likes of Kacher or Kable - who drove the 992 GT3 with AP months before the “official” press launch. Obviously, the catch is that that was completely off the record and he couldn’t write about it.

Originally Posted by 3-Pedals
Without RWS this car will not feel like a GT3 at all. Didnt AP did a long speech in 2013 when justifying it for 991.1 as to how bad the car was without it?

Whats next, no abs?
And don’t forget that the 991.2 and beyond engine was incompatible with a lightweight flywheel … and here we are!

It is conceivable that the facelift GT3 could feature (1) the shorter gearbox, (2) the lightweight flywheel, (3) some version of the GT3 RS steering wheel *****, and (4) *maybe* a little more power but (5) retain RWS.


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