New Z06 and 992 GT3 on the NRing
08-26-2021, 02:03 PM
#63
Racer
don’t disagree. I loved the car when it wasn’t broken down notwithstanding all the crap I got from my friends that it’s an old man car. Glad I owned it but will never go back because of reliability issues
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08-26-2021, 02:10 PM
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It sounds like these won't be available for about 18 months or longer. I'd like get one, strip everything out and make it a dedicated track car. It would nice if Pratt Miller would purchase a bunch of these and modify them for the track, like a GT4 Clubsport edition.
08-26-2021, 02:11 PM
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08-26-2021, 02:14 PM
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I have 14,000 miles on my C7 ZR1 and I am still learning how to drive it. Its extremely challenging which is sometimes good and rewarding but other times scary. Learned throttle steering and the way you enter turns is completely different than a rear engine 911. Its like one car is the “anti” of the other car. It took me 200 miles to feel confident in my GT3RS (maybe even less) and I am not even 50% there with the ZR1. Again, its both a good and a bad thing. Its definitely a super aggressive car that you can drive to grocery shopping or take extended drives. It does this dual personality thing so well. You need to have 911 Turbo S, GTS, Targa, and GT3RS to do what ZR1 does. Obviously ZR1 doesnt do what those very specialized cars do well 100% but it does 100% of Turbo’s sheer speed but 80% of luxury and refinement, 90% of GTS usable sportiness (ZR1 is a bit too stiff), 80-85% of GT3RS agility, and 100% targa experience. You have to pay insane sums of money for CF hoods and scoops and wings in the Porsche and you can drive around with this thing with ease. It sounds absolutely epic also. And all of this as manual. Very unique. I think 997.2 GT2 is probably the closest thing to do. Bolt action rifle shifter, linkage rod vs cable, heavy clutch with a very low engagement point.
Obviously maybe this isnt a fair comparison as 140k vs 80k Z06 but this is my experience. I have also seen 1 ZR1 to this date, ever, anywhere in the US but have seen more than 10+ GT3RS and probably 3 times of that GT3. The rarest porsche I have seen was GT2RS, only 1 time. GT3s have certainly become too common where I live.
Obviously maybe this isnt a fair comparison as 140k vs 80k Z06 but this is my experience. I have also seen 1 ZR1 to this date, ever, anywhere in the US but have seen more than 10+ GT3RS and probably 3 times of that GT3. The rarest porsche I have seen was GT2RS, only 1 time. GT3s have certainly become too common where I live.
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08-26-2021, 06:06 PM
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Bob
08-26-2021, 06:18 PM
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Hey Grant - this is the first time I've seen this YouTuber, does he usually have information regarding lap times from the various manufacturers in advance of publications. He's right there on site, and assuming he lives close by he might have an advantage. I did put myself on the list at Stevinson's but I may be 90 before I actually see one........
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08-26-2021, 07:11 PM
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high downforce package and normal.
08-26-2021, 07:47 PM
#71
Three Wheelin'
I had the opposite experience. Mine was solid, and I never had any problems, yet I drove it hard 50% of the time. On the other hand my Porsche had so many squeaks, and rattles that unless I drove it hard it annoyed me. Both cars were mechanically sound, but my Porsche dealer was a let down. My local Chevy dealer was very responsive, and when I had them spec the suspension to the DSC recommendations they delivered. However, I did have a conversation with the Service Mngr and relayed to him my expectations prior to having them service my car. Every once in a while I would buy the chief mechanic a nice bottle of scotch, and it paid dividends.
08-26-2021, 08:12 PM
#72
I had the opposite experience. Mine was solid, and I never had any problems, yet I drove it hard 50% of the time. On the other hand my Porsche had so many squeaks, and rattles that unless I drove it hard it annoyed me. Both cars were mechanically sound, but my Porsche dealer was a let down. My local Chevy dealer was very responsive, and when I had them spec the suspension to the DSC recommendations they delivered. However, I did have a conversation with the Service Mngr and relayed to him my expectations prior to having them service my car. Every once in a while I would buy the chief mechanic a nice bottle of scotch, and it paid dividends.
Chevy has bent over backwards (literally) to make it right when I had problems.
Yes, the service department and waiting room arent anywhere near the porsche standards. But you know what? I couldnt care less about that given my experience.
Regarding squeaks and rattles, my GT3RS is the same. The door, climate control, the steering wheel (airbag), the seats all creak rattle worse than my Corvette. It is funny isnt it. I still believe Porsche is a much better built car. The materials used in and under the car are much better. Engineering details are just something else. No doubt. But my experience driving both of them really mimic yours.
09-01-2021, 05:15 AM
#73
Burning Brakes
I think the C8 generation of Corvette has seriously reshaped the old stereotype of the Corvette buyer from previous generations. When a GT3 is upwards of $200K and a Z06 is $120K with its mid-engined flat plane crank N/A V8 DCT, it's a compelling value proposition and a serious contender.
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09-01-2021, 10:32 AM
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I am not sure GT3 buyers will be cross shopping against a Z06. The Z06 was always designed and built as a performance bargain that was accessible by most people. It punched way above it's weight.
As for the C8 Z06, strong speculation suggests they will use a NA Flat Plane V8. As to whether GM can avoid the Flat Plane fiasco from Ford and their GT350...time will tell.
If pricing for the base Z06 starts anywhere from $80 - $90k, it is only 50% of the price of a new GT3 with no bells and whistles (assuming anyone can get a GT3 at sticker).
Most people aren't in the income bracket of a traditional GT3 buyer, the Z06 is one that the blue and middle class folks can aspire to own someday. A new GT3 is something that is reserved for folks much higher in the peking order.
Porsche has always had the liberty of massive profit margins on their cars by nickel and diming to their benefit. GM on the other hand is on one end of the spectrum with barely any margins for 90% of their offerings.
The Z06 always was and will remain a hero for the masses.
As for the C8 Z06, strong speculation suggests they will use a NA Flat Plane V8. As to whether GM can avoid the Flat Plane fiasco from Ford and their GT350...time will tell.
If pricing for the base Z06 starts anywhere from $80 - $90k, it is only 50% of the price of a new GT3 with no bells and whistles (assuming anyone can get a GT3 at sticker).
Most people aren't in the income bracket of a traditional GT3 buyer, the Z06 is one that the blue and middle class folks can aspire to own someday. A new GT3 is something that is reserved for folks much higher in the peking order.
Porsche has always had the liberty of massive profit margins on their cars by nickel and diming to their benefit. GM on the other hand is on one end of the spectrum with barely any margins for 90% of their offerings.
The Z06 always was and will remain a hero for the masses.
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09-01-2021, 11:43 AM
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I am not sure GT3 buyers will be cross shopping against a Z06. The Z06 was always designed and built as a performance bargain that was accessible by most people. It punched way above it's weight.
As for the C8 Z06, strong speculation suggests they will use a NA Flat Plane V8. As to whether GM can avoid the Flat Plane fiasco from Ford and their GT350...time will tell.
If pricing for the base Z06 starts anywhere from $80 - $90k, it is only 50% of the price of a new GT3 with no bells and whistles (assuming anyone can get a GT3 at sticker).
Most people aren't in the income bracket of a traditional GT3 buyer, the Z06 is one that the blue and middle class folks can aspire to own someday. A new GT3 is something that is reserved for folks much higher in the peking order.
Porsche has always had the liberty of massive profit margins on their cars by nickel and diming to their benefit. GM on the other hand was on the other end of the spectrum with barely any margins.
The Z06 always was and will remain a hero for the masses.
As for the C8 Z06, strong speculation suggests they will use a NA Flat Plane V8. As to whether GM can avoid the Flat Plane fiasco from Ford and their GT350...time will tell.
If pricing for the base Z06 starts anywhere from $80 - $90k, it is only 50% of the price of a new GT3 with no bells and whistles (assuming anyone can get a GT3 at sticker).
Most people aren't in the income bracket of a traditional GT3 buyer, the Z06 is one that the blue and middle class folks can aspire to own someday. A new GT3 is something that is reserved for folks much higher in the peking order.
Porsche has always had the liberty of massive profit margins on their cars by nickel and diming to their benefit. GM on the other hand was on the other end of the spectrum with barely any margins.
The Z06 always was and will remain a hero for the masses.
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