New Z06 and 992 GT3 on the NRing
09-12-2021, 03:08 PM
#136
Drifting
Speaking of interior quality, here is my own experience. I own a C7 ZR1 and a 991.2 GT3RS. The interior materials of the Porsche is a few levels above that of Corvette. Leather, alcantra, panels, plastic pieces, CF pieces are all better.
But…..
The interior of my GT3RS makes far more noises, and they are extremely annoying than the ZR1. The ZR1 interior is utter quiet, just the exhaust. Perhaps the seats creak a bit when you take high g turns but thats about it. GT3RS interior make rattles and buzzing noises from pretty much everywhere. Door, steering wheel, climate control, 12V charge port to name a few. Engine has different resonance characteristics and different components buzz in different rpms. But they all rattle regardless of engine speed going over bumps etc.
I bought this car with 300 miles and this wasnt the case for the first 2000 miles. Now at 7000 miles its much worse. I think Porsches traditionally had much better damping and was able to maintain that refined porsche ride quality without sacrificing handling. I think 991.2 RS was the first truly stiff GT car with rose joins and I think 992 will be stiffer.
I have 14,000 miles on the ZR1 and 7000 on the RS. Porsche build quality is absolutely better. But my RS cant really survive the harsh ride. Perhaps other models like C2S, turbo, or even the base 991 GT3s are different. They ride on a strut suspension with softer springs and no solid joins. Its a surprising observation.
But…..
The interior of my GT3RS makes far more noises, and they are extremely annoying than the ZR1. The ZR1 interior is utter quiet, just the exhaust. Perhaps the seats creak a bit when you take high g turns but thats about it. GT3RS interior make rattles and buzzing noises from pretty much everywhere. Door, steering wheel, climate control, 12V charge port to name a few. Engine has different resonance characteristics and different components buzz in different rpms. But they all rattle regardless of engine speed going over bumps etc.
I bought this car with 300 miles and this wasnt the case for the first 2000 miles. Now at 7000 miles its much worse. I think Porsches traditionally had much better damping and was able to maintain that refined porsche ride quality without sacrificing handling. I think 991.2 RS was the first truly stiff GT car with rose joins and I think 992 will be stiffer.
I have 14,000 miles on the ZR1 and 7000 on the RS. Porsche build quality is absolutely better. But my RS cant really survive the harsh ride. Perhaps other models like C2S, turbo, or even the base 991 GT3s are different. They ride on a strut suspension with softer springs and no solid joins. Its a surprising observation.
09-12-2021, 03:08 PM
#137
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I know AP reads this forum (he said so in a few interviews himself) and it would be impossible at this point that he didnt see this thread (not to mention hear the car himself next to their own garage by nurburgring).
With that said, I find that utterly humiliating that an American manufacturer has been able to build a car that excites people so much so that even in the benchmark 992 GT3 forum - which is a car not only from a performance perspective but much more so about excitement and connection metrics, everyone is talking about. I have been watching this thread and it has been receiving more views and posts than most other threads here.
Why this matters is it should be a wake up call to the EU sports car manufacturers who are so afraid of these retarded “regulations”, be it noise (I hate the GPF) or be it emissions. It seems like GM’s attitude of a big middle finger doesn’t hurt them one bit. I bet everyone watching these videos, especially those in person, are amazed how loud and visceral the car sounds like when everyone over there across the pond is using turbochargers (I never understood the point of mclarens or 488s when they sound so muted).
And this can be all had for $85-120k, you could literally buy a convertible and a coupe for the cost of a GT3 (with ADMs).
I know it has gotten EVERYONE’s attention because everyone here is scratching their head saying “what the f?” That $50,000 ADM and GPF exhaust dont look too good I bet
I love the American ingenuity and sheer power of their limitless resources. I dont think this car will even come close to the emissions/noise regulation figures of the EU cars. As was the case with the ZR1. They didnt even bother making it EU certified because they dont care about the silly rules. That car (ZR1) requires so much fuel that they had to use an extra set of fuel system. You go through a full tank of gas in 15 minutes driving it full tilt. And it sounds amazing - thats what matters the most!
Sorry, I had to say it…. AP, no hard feelings. I love your team from the bottom of my heart and will never sell my GT3RS
With that said, I find that utterly humiliating that an American manufacturer has been able to build a car that excites people so much so that even in the benchmark 992 GT3 forum - which is a car not only from a performance perspective but much more so about excitement and connection metrics, everyone is talking about. I have been watching this thread and it has been receiving more views and posts than most other threads here.
Why this matters is it should be a wake up call to the EU sports car manufacturers who are so afraid of these retarded “regulations”, be it noise (I hate the GPF) or be it emissions. It seems like GM’s attitude of a big middle finger doesn’t hurt them one bit. I bet everyone watching these videos, especially those in person, are amazed how loud and visceral the car sounds like when everyone over there across the pond is using turbochargers (I never understood the point of mclarens or 488s when they sound so muted).
And this can be all had for $85-120k, you could literally buy a convertible and a coupe for the cost of a GT3 (with ADMs).
I know it has gotten EVERYONE’s attention because everyone here is scratching their head saying “what the f?” That $50,000 ADM and GPF exhaust dont look too good I bet
I love the American ingenuity and sheer power of their limitless resources. I dont think this car will even come close to the emissions/noise regulation figures of the EU cars. As was the case with the ZR1. They didnt even bother making it EU certified because they dont care about the silly rules. That car (ZR1) requires so much fuel that they had to use an extra set of fuel system. You go through a full tank of gas in 15 minutes driving it full tilt. And it sounds amazing - thats what matters the most!
Sorry, I had to say it…. AP, no hard feelings. I love your team from the bottom of my heart and will never sell my GT3RS
Last edited by ipse dixit; 09-12-2021 at 03:10 PM.
09-12-2021, 03:14 PM
#138
Drifting
Any more details on this stuff? I follow the forums pretty closely and this is the first I've heard of this.
09-12-2021, 08:51 PM
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09-12-2021, 08:54 PM
#140
Drifting
I don't see anything about this for the 991.2 I know about the .1 issues though...
There is one thread about an engine failure on the .2 GT3RS but I don't see any definitive explanation other than assumption. The OP of that thread, after blaming lash adjusters, said the engine was sent back to PCNA and, "No specific fault was found." Then someone from a third-party shop (?) posted some photos/info about a failure he's seen. But again... data point of one or two. This isn't exactly a pandemic of problems.
There is one thread about an engine failure on the .2 GT3RS but I don't see any definitive explanation other than assumption. The OP of that thread, after blaming lash adjusters, said the engine was sent back to PCNA and, "No specific fault was found." Then someone from a third-party shop (?) posted some photos/info about a failure he's seen. But again... data point of one or two. This isn't exactly a pandemic of problems.
Last edited by FourT6and2; 09-12-2021 at 09:28 PM.
09-12-2021, 08:55 PM
#141
I gotcha. It surely matters that in its home market, the regulations for noise are much less strict. But a GT3 with aftermarket exhaust (still easy, since OPF’s are unmonitored here) makes quite a noise too. There will be plenty of aftermarket exhausts for Z06 too (stock sound not nearly enough for some).
) so you know what I am talking about. Yes it can be done but not very straightforward.Last edited by 3-Pedals; 09-12-2021 at 08:57 PM.
09-12-2021, 09:07 PM
#142
09-12-2021, 09:47 PM
#143
I don't see anything about this for the 991.2 I know about the .1 issues though...
There is one thread about an engine failure on the .2 GT3RS but I don't see any definitive explanation other than assumption. The OP of that thread, after blaming lash adjusters, said the engine was sent back to PCNA and, "No specific fault was found." Then someone from a third-party shop (?) posted some photos/info about a failure he's seen. But again... data point of one or two. This isn't exactly a pandemic of problems.
There is one thread about an engine failure on the .2 GT3RS but I don't see any definitive explanation other than assumption. The OP of that thread, after blaming lash adjusters, said the engine was sent back to PCNA and, "No specific fault was found." Then someone from a third-party shop (?) posted some photos/info about a failure he's seen. But again... data point of one or two. This isn't exactly a pandemic of problems.
I have 7,500 miles on my RS, I think I’ll be one of the highest mileage 991.2 cars out there in 2 years, this was 11 months of driving. So we’ll see how good this engine is (at least mine
).
09-12-2021, 10:46 PM
#145
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This thing is going to be so spaceship-y that it will make an aventador blush.
This thing is going to be so spaceship-y that it will make an aventador blush.
You buy that car for the performance, not the looks.
Sort of like marrying Oprah. You do it cuz she's rich AF, not necessarily because she's a looker.
09-12-2021, 11:09 PM
#146
Race Director
Originally Posted by ipse dixit
Sorry, that just an eyesore.
You buy that car for the performance, not the looks.
Sort of like marrying Oprah. You do it cuz she's rich AF, not necessarily because she's a looker.
You buy that car for the performance, not the looks.
Sort of like marrying Oprah. You do it cuz she's rich AF, not necessarily because she's a looker.
Last edited by CAlexio; 09-12-2021 at 11:33 PM.
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09-12-2021, 11:48 PM
#147
I didnt say its pandemic of problems but there are problems. Not as widespread.
I have 7,500 miles on my RS, I think I’ll be one of the highest mileage 991.2 cars out there in 2 years, this was 11 months of driving. So we’ll see how good this engine is (at least mine).
I have 7,500 miles on my RS, I think I’ll be one of the highest mileage 991.2 cars out there in 2 years, this was 11 months of driving. So we’ll see how good this engine is (at least mine
).
09-13-2021, 12:41 AM
#148
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I was wondering the same thing because mine has 9,700 miles and engine hasn't skipped a beat.
09-13-2021, 03:14 AM
#149
Drifting
Yeah I have 8K on mine without issues. My buddy has 20K I think. Zero problems.
09-13-2021, 08:55 AM
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