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Hard to tell, but I think it did ~ 1:20 (which would best the GT3 time)
Wouldn't surprise me if it did. It has more torque.
But I think it's largely irrelevant these track times, for all the reasons we've talked about. Different drivers, different day, different condition, blah blah blah.
But what's more important with lap times, less with a short course like Montecito, and more with a longer course like the Ring, is how many times a car can do it in one attempt? Hero laps are nice for Internet memes, but repeatable lap times are more relevant for hoi polloi who drive these cars without all the support staff and track goodies
I’d say the extra torque is not as significant as the extra 160 hp (and still has low gearing similar to GT3, but more weight).
Fastest laps isn't necessarily that informative. The times for TWS were sparse and horrible
It’s not official, but can be helpful to get an idea of things (more helpful in cases when the driver is the same like Sport Auto laps and similar weather)
we need a back to back comparo. same day, same conditions, same drivers.
but the fact it can pull out a lap thats a second faster than the 992 and STO is a huge accomplishment at the price point. Looks like the larger tires and power makes up for the +450 pound weight disadvantage over the gt3.
This car is seriously potent, and it's really the only desirable high end, NA sports car left besides the GT3/RS and STO. Honestly, if my allocation for the RS somehow vanishes, it is something I would seriously consider trying to get.
I have hated the Corvette my whole life, until this one. Just wish they offered a manual. For less than $150K you can have something that probably lands in between a GT3 and RS on track, but with more street usability than an RS with similar performance for $100K less.
I ask myself, if I couldn't get a 992 RS, then why would I spend $250k for a used 991.2 RS, when I could get this new for $100K less?
Is it German engineered? No, but they finally did a high revving, DOHC, flat plane V8 straight out of the race car. That's about as "Porsche-esque" as it gets, in terms of selling what you race. The car is literally as wide as the race car. So hats off to GM on this car.
I don't care what anybody says, 670hp from an NA V8 is insane. Clearly the chassis is up for it. Adjustable suspension, and all the typical GT3/RS adjustability are available on this car as well.
The question is, can it run lap after lap like a GT3/RS and keep begging for more? I'd guess it can, GM couldn't afford to drop the ball on this one.
This car is seriously potent, and it's really the only desirable high end, NA sports car left besides the GT3/RS and STO. Honestly, if my allocation for the RS somehow vanishes, it is something I would seriously consider trying to get.
I have hated the Corvette my whole life, until this one. Just wish they offered a manual. For less than $150K you can have something that probably lands in between a GT3 and RS on track, but with more street usability than an RS with similar performance for $100K less.
I ask myself, if I couldn't get a 992 RS, then why would I spend $250k for a used 991.2 RS, when I could get this new for $100K less?
Is it German engineered? No, but they finally did a high revving, DOHC, flat plane V8 straight out of the race car. That's about as "Porsche-esque" as it gets, in terms of selling what you race. The car is literally as wide as the race car. So hats off to GM on this car.
I don't care what anybody says, 670hp from an NA V8 is insane. Clearly the chassis is up for it. Adjustable suspension, and all the typical GT3/RS adjustability are available on this car as well.
The question is, can it run lap after lap like a GT3/RS and keep begging for more? I'd guess it can, GM couldn't afford to drop the ball on this one.
Pretty sure GM nailed it this time with the C8 Z06. It has no less than 5 radiators, and a dedicated oil cooler. Plus, it doesn’t have a separate oil pan; the lower crankcase acts as one, which also means the LT6 has a true dry-sump system with a sealed bay, separate oil tank, and six scavenging pumps.
If all of that paraphernalia doesn't keep the car from tapping out after a few laps, nothing short of bolting on ice cubes would suffice.
I think the thing holding back the C8 Z06 from some of the track cars / exotics (GT3RS, GT4RS, STO, 765LT) is its transmission. Not even sure its right to compare it to a basic PDK, much less the PDK-S in GT cars. At the end of the day, Chevy knows its has to kowtow to is Corvette base customers, who will most likely be driving these things around time more than taking it to HPDE, if at all.
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Can you get past the square steering wheel and sharp edges of the exterior? Stitching that isnt even or interior panels (door to dash on driver’s side is typical) being off alignment by half an inch? I personally cannot. It doesnt matter what this car does, it can take a man to the moon. It is still Chevy. It still will be serviced at a Chevy service by a person who services a Chevy Malibu. I own a C7 ZR1 and a GT3RS. I can write a book here how Corvettes and Porsches have such different design philosophy that if you are truly into one brand, its almost mutually exclusive that you cant really be in love with the other.
The fact that PRE ADM the vet is going to be basically 150k less than the RS is also kind of a big deal thing here 😂. I mean Id still rather be in a Porsche NORMALLY but this spread and that v8 would make one think...
Can't deny what Chevy did with this is amazing and the feedback (and lap time on a very short track even with the weight) appears to be excellent. These will be obtainable in a couple of years with no ADM given this will have a C6 like production run (25k+ cars)!
Pretty sure GM nailed it this time with the C8 Z06. It has no less than 5 radiators, and a dedicated oil cooler. Plus, it doesn’t have a separate oil pan; the lower crankcase acts as one, which also means the LT6 has a true dry-sump system with a sealed bay, separate oil tank, and six scavenging pumps.
If all of that paraphernalia doesn't keep the car from tapping out after a few laps, nothing short of bolting on ice cubes would suffice.
I think the thing holding back the C8 Z06 from some of the track cars / exotics (GT3RS, GT4RS, STO, 765LT) is its transmission. Not even sure its right to compare it to a basic PDK, much less the PDK-S in GT cars. At the end of the day, Chevy knows its has to kowtow to is Corvette base customers, who will most likely be driving these things around time more than taking it to HPDE, if at all.
Luckily is the same transmission family as the GT500 which some of the reviewers say shift better than the Z06...I'm guessing will be a lot of continuous improvement with the car overall (like Chevy did for C6 during its 7+ yr production run).
I think the thing holding back the C8 Z06 from some of the track cars / exotics (GT3RS, GT4RS, STO, 765LT) is its transmission. Not even sure its right to compare it to a basic PDK, much less the PDK-S in GT cars. At the end of the day, Chevy knows its has to kowtow to is Corvette base customers, who will most likely be driving these things around time more than taking it to HPDE, if at all.
Totally agree. The first video I ever watched of these on-track, I noted to myself how slow they upshift. The downshifts seem great, but the upshift is lazy. Sad to see them, and other manufacturers like BMW going to these cheaper slush-boxes for their top performance cars. While I'm sure if you hopped into one, without any perspective, it wouldn't be much of an issue, but if you had a GT3/RS or other good dual-clutch gearbox to drive immediately after, it would feel like ****.
All that said, I've never owned a PDK or 8-speed auto, so in many ways, to me they are the same in that they aren't a 6-spd manual....lol.
Can you get past the square steering wheel and sharp edges of the exterior? Stitching that isnt even or interior panels (door to dash on driver’s side is typical) being off alignment by half an inch? I personally cannot. It doesnt matter what this car does, it can take a man to the moon. It is still Chevy. It still will be serviced at a Chevy service by a person who services a Chevy Malibu. I own a C7 ZR1 and a GT3RS. I can write a book here how Corvettes and Porsches have such different design philosophy that if you are truly into one brand, its almost mutually exclusive that you cant really be in love with the other.
Definitely don't love anything GM, never will, but from strictly a performance, and powerplant perspective, being that there just aren't hardly any good high revving NA engines left, this car ticks a lot of boxes, and brings a lot to the table. I don't buy Porsche's because their fender-gaps are always perfect, I buy them because they are engineered to perform, and are beautiful. GT3/RS gives you the best of all worlds, and that standard simply can't be expected from virtually anybody else, so I don't expect it from GM, nor do I try to compare them in those regards. But the C8 Z06 is a monumental leap for the Corvette. It won't cost $250K like an RS does, so I don't expect it to be to the standard of the Porsche.
Pretty soon ICE cars will be gone, I'm just trying to amass some cool cars that I will enjoy driving the next 20 years. Unless something is a warranty repair, I don't even take my GT3/GT4 to the dealer, my Indy shop is WAY better at servicing Porsche's than the dealer is, so if I ever own a vette, the malibu specialist won't ever see my car either, lol.
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