Originally Posted by 3-Pedals

I fell for this trap with my ZR1. It cost me half as much as a GT3RS when I bought it at the time (RS was going for $270-320k new, I paid $137k for ZR1). Later I ended up buying a GT3RS anyways and against all my instincts, kept the ZR1. To say that these cars are so different in design and production philosophy is understatement. Most people myself included look at both cars and say Corvette costs X, Porsche costs 1.8 or 2.5X. You get big brakes, wing, room, heated and cooled seats, and its a chevy so cost of ownership is cheap. Then there is the laptimes. “Oh look, ZR1 is 1 second off of the 3 times costing GT2RS”. Well, the issue with this line of thinking is once you pay for the car, you forget what it costs yet you are stuck driving it with all its faults. Uneven panel gaps, stitching that isnt straight, ***** and other things lifted from Chevy Suburban. All over the car wherever you look at afterthoughts. Then this stuff starts bothering you because eventually the novelties of the car starts to wear off.

My ZR1 for example. Last front engine RWD corvette. Manual transmission. Carbon fiber hood and more carbon fiber than you’ll get in a Porsche. 1,000 lbs of downforce. Yet beginning mile 20 all the way to mile 20,000 my issues with it kept piling up. After every drive I try to find reasons to justify keeping it.

You know how many times I felt the same way in 11,000 miles of owning my GT3RS? 0, nada, nil. Its just perfect. Every corner and aspect of the car shows engineering excellence. Corvette is unsophisticated. No matter how much progress they did with the engine, they screwed that much with the golf club fitting body. Car weighs 3750 lbs, is almost 10 inches longer, 5 inches wider than a 911. It has much longer wheelbase and drives like it too. Then there is the transmission. Did you see the gearing? Its like after 140 mph, car hits a wall. Which is why we’ll never see a nurburgring time. The people who built the engine probably used up all the money and transmission - which was built for stingray for fuel economy, had to be a compromise. Compromise is the name of the game with Chevy. They are still using old halogen bulbs that at night you are better off with a Lexus headlight. Does not compare to PDLS, night and day. They make a wing for the Z07 shape like a bird’s wing because they dont want the old timers to complain about rear visibility. Then they produce fake engine noise because the natural sound of the car might be too much for the Corvette market. These are all things that had Porsche built this car, they would have went the opposite direction in each element.

And then there is the looks. I mean who OKed this style? It has so many sharp edges, it looks extremely over the top. Do you like Escalades? When I see a Cadillac with their literally boxy style and tiny straight head and tail lights, I feel nauseous. It is hideous. If there is a word for complete opposite of “elegant” thats Escalade and so is this Z06.

Lastly, having owned ZR1 for so long (and this Z06 has even more aggressive looks), whenever I am driving it I dont want to get out of the car because I dont like the way I personally see myself leaving a car. Looks like I am trying to compensate for something. There is always that stigma to it. Car is too much “blaaaaaaaaaa” inside and out. Its too coarse.

I have also dealt with Chevy dealers and there is no way they are qualified to work on this Z06. Its impossible. GM simply pulled this engine off because a few senior execs OKed it but they dont have the infrastructure to support the car.

Originally Posted by Aorta

You should sell that POS. What a garbage car...GM has no idea how to build anything. Porsches are god and nothing comes close. Duh. Everyone knows that.

Then again...I too own a 2019 M7 ZR1 with 8k miles on it. Tracked 12 times. Drag strip 4 times. Never...not even once had an issue with it. EVER. No panel gap problems. No reliability issues. But I will say the cappuccino machine at BMW is nicer...and I prefer their hot chocolate. I guess I should get rid of the ZR1 then. It’s weird cause my M7 C7Z06 never had any issues either...tracked that too...I guess I just got lucky cause obviously all Vettes have problems and the need for Porsche to warranty certain GT3 engines for 10 years was because they were perfect, nada, nilch, no problems...

GM provides the best bang for your buck out there. Porsche makes great cars...I enjoy them very much...but the ‘Porsches are perfect’ stuff is just garbage. No car is perfect. How many threads on this forum talk about 992 quality control dropping...panel gaps, glass braking and a myriad of other issues. News flash...no car is perfect.

The ZR1 is badass. Love the torque and as a daily driver it’s WAY WAY WAY better than a GT3. Cooled seats, heated seats...luggage space...mag ride...From the canyon to the track to the road trip...WAY better than a GT3 as an all round car. Press on the gas at 3/4K in a GT3...Honda civics will be passing you LOL. Negative on the ZR1: The interior is mediocre and Wish it were 500lbs lighter though. The McLaren satisfies that itch....

Originally Posted by 911dude41

Let me know when GM has the cojones man up to offer a 10 year warranty on their mistake.
GM makes POS cars, a few slip through the cracks and are grand slams. The C7 was an epic fail.

Comparatively, Corvettes are not as sorted out and are buckets compared to 911's. This is a fact.
Nearly every auto-maker copies or rips off Porsche nowadays

Originally Posted by 911dude41

I'm not involved in the thread direction that's going on, just lurking. I see your points 100% but you're a bit hyperbolic.

Let me know when GM has the cojones man up to offer a 10 year warranty on their mistake. That move says a lot from Porsche, they don't **** around like GM does who are the kings of standardized testing for headlines and sales.

GM makes POS cars, a few slip through the cracks and are grand slams. The C7 was an epic fail.

You're right, no car is perfect. Porsche does come to as close to perfection as possible when it comes to sports cars. Comparatively, Corvettes are not as sorted out and are buckets compared to 911's. This is a fact.

There's a reason behind the cult-like Porsche following, they do it damn good and that's why theres so many converts. When you've driven them all and then you get into a 911, even a base Carrera it becomes clear. Nearly every auto-maker copies or rips off Porsche nowadays. Tesla included, even in the model 3 and it's no secret that Elon Musk loves Porsches. A lot of posts may come off snobby, but that's genuinely not the case. If GM made cars like Porsche, and Porsche made cars like GM, everyone would be on the GM bandwagon.

Originally Posted by FrostyAZ

Only because there will be way more Z06 cars built. Maybe you won’t see many RS at track day events, most of the people that buy them will stick to private clubs. I bet the % of RS owners that track their cars is quite high, unlike regular GT3 which is much lower.

Originally Posted by Aorta

So much to unpack...‘nearly everyone copies Porsche.’

No Active aero in general. Gooseneck active aero on the 3RS. Mac Senna had it first and Macs have had it since 2012.

Front canards and entire hood design on the 3RS. Mac Senna had it first.

Carbon fiber tub that is much safer and lighter. McLarens have it...Porsches don’t. GT2 and 720 same price point.

GT3 just got a double wishbone front suspension...kinda late to the game there. No comment.

Mid-engine layout. Everyone except Porsche has it. Cayman is better than a 911 but Porsche won’t allow it.

Mag ride...even Vettes had that before Porsche.

Hydraulic suspension wizardry of the McLarens. Porsche still doesn’t have that.

We can do this a day long...

Porsche makes a great car...I’ve owned many of them. Overall GT cars are one trick ponies though. The 720 will pace a GT2RS on track and kill it in a straight line but the difference is it’s actually comfortable to drive, not as noisy inside, has luggage space and looks much cooler without the boy racer look. Same price point too. GT cars ride rough...super stiff, lack torque for around town driving and the new 3RS doesn’t even have a front boot to carry anything. One trick pony.

Im not even gonna comment about GM. I really like Porsches...but the kool aid you are drinking is special. Probably a magazine specialist...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nQJeelPnL_w

Originally Posted by sechsgang

The percentage of the 997 RS' sold that went to the track were high, since the 991, the percentage dropped monumentally. This 992 will be no different, id wager sub 10 percent of these cars see a track period at least in the US. Europe Id wager will see more on a percentage basis, but tbh not sure how much more even still given pricing and availability of the car to those who actually do the real tracking...private club or not.

Originally Posted by f1soul

Just curious, how do you know this?

Originally Posted by Quadcammer

You are seriously delusional. Literally everything you said is wrong but there is no point trying to convince you otherwise since these are "facts" in your mind.

Originally Posted by 911dude41

You are mad about my post in the M4 CSL thread and are blatantly following me around to talk ****. Grow up.

Originally Posted by sechsgang

The percentage of the 997 RS' sold that went to the track were high, since the 991, the percentage dropped monumentally. This 992 will be no different, id wager sub 10 percent of these cars see a track period at least in the US. Europe Id wager will see more on a percentage basis, but tbh not sure how much more even still given pricing and availability of the car to those who actually do the real tracking...private club or not.

Originally Posted by Quadcammer

I dont care one bit about your derogatory comments about the bmw. I didnt build it, i dont own one, and i have no plans to buy one. But really, youve shown you a) dont know what facts are; and b) seem to be extraordinarily biased towards porsche. If you want to have a slant, thats cool, but maybe dont represent your opinions as fact.

Originally Posted by 911dude41

Then quit your name calling/personal attacks because you or someone has a different take. I didn't offend you or come at you personally, so don't talk smack. You also got some minion start talking to me about watches outta nowhere.

If my "facts" are opinions then so are yours. M4 cars oscillate at high speeds. C7's are clunkers, greater flaws than overheating. Crap 8 speed with gears 5, 6, 7, and 8 acting as over drive gears. They fall on their face. Will get pulled on by a Carrera GTS at speeds over 130mph. Whole car will shake shifting gears at 150mph. Corners are cut on "bang for buck" cars. I've topped out every sports car I've driven. Personal experience. You pay more for Porsche, because they do it better. Not bias, facts.

Originally Posted by disden

kinda disagree. I spend alot of weekends on track around the country, and I have been amazed how many 991.2 GT3 RS show up for track days. In fact most DEs are now populated by a large amount of Porsches. When I was tracking my 991.1 RS (when it first arrived) there were much less of those at the Track in comparison vs when I was tracking my 991.2 RS. There are starting to be more 992 GT3s at events, i have had mine for a year now so initially it was slim pickings besides mine. So this idea that only a tiny fraction of GT cars hit the track is not true

Originally Posted by Jickel180

Agreed. The 991 GT3(RS) is the new Miata here in Texas. It's disgusting