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Old 10-31-2021, 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Hex
The comparison of the new Z06 with the new GT3 RS seems comical to me. The 991 GT3 RS did 6:56 on the N Ring and the new Z06 will have a hard time matching that, let alone matching the blistering time the new GT3RS will set.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Z06 can meet the high watermark of the 991.2 RS. Might not be as fast as the 992 GT3 RS, but it should be at least $100k cheaper before you even factor in ADM's. Either way we're lucky to have multiple options, especially given the GT car feeding frenzy.
Old 10-31-2021, 02:47 PM
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8600 rpm FPC 670 hp that comes with a 5 year 60,000 mile warranty that can be indefinitely extended until 10 years 120,000 miles with GM and aftermarket thereafter….

You cant even buy an aftermarket warranty let alone extend warranty from Porsche on a GT3RS (I own one and its real).

Even if it cant beat the new GT3RS with its obnoxious wing and massive frunk scoops and no frunk space, it will come very close. It will have front and rear storage, a top that you can take off (or buy a convertible), will have heated and cooled seats and a sound system that actually works.

The Bose sound system in my GT3RS is whats comical comparing it to Bose sound system in my ZR1. What that sound system is doing in a $250,000 car is mystery to me. Yes once in a while I want to listen music in my sports cars.

You are comparing apples and oranges. I will own them both side to side but at this point I own the flat 6 for being unique not for its performance ceiling.

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Old 10-31-2021, 02:51 PM
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Hi Gentlemen!

If I may share some 918 trivia ...

The original 6:57 time was set by a pre-production 918 at less than full power (~800hp) and on Eco specification Cup2 tires.
The production version of the 918 is at 887hp sustained and ~930hp in Hot Lap mode, and is delivered on the same Eco specification Cup 2 tires.

If I remember correctly, Porsche ran the 918 on Nordschleife in 2019 or 2020 for internal benchmarking and got 6:45 on Cup 2 tires.
With Cup 2Rs, Nordschleife time is likely 6:3X

Pretty wild that 7 years later, the 918 is still very likely the fastest road homologated car around the Green Hell.

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Old 10-31-2021, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 3-Pedals
Lets see if you’ll be as amused when the lap times start pouring in
Yes I don't see why this car would be anything but a world-beater. They benchmarked against 458 for sound, but GT2RS for performance remember.
Old 10-31-2021, 04:38 PM
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Looks like my guess of 6:40 Ring time for a 918 on the new Cup 2Rs is if anything slightly pessimistic. Interesting and quite believable info this.
Old 10-31-2021, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by 3-Pedals
I just wired the deposit for my Z06 the other day. Its at MSRP and I have the very first allocation. I guess I am lucky.
Lucky on your part.

I just did the same but am 16 on the list. My only chance is 10 others ahead of me bail.
Old 10-31-2021, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BusDriver
Hi Gentlemen!

If I may share some 918 trivia ...

The original 6:57 time was set by a pre-production 918 at less than full power (~800hp) and on Eco specification Cup2 tires.
The production version of the 918 is at 887hp sustained and ~930hp in Hot Lap mode, and is delivered on the same Eco specification Cup 2 tires.

If I remember correctly, Porsche ran the 918 on Nordschleife in 2019 or 2020 for internal benchmarking and got 6:45 on Cup 2 tires.
With Cup 2Rs, Nordschleife time is likely 6:3X

Pretty wild that 7 years later, the 918 is still very likely the fastest road homologated car around the Green Hell.
The issue with the Cup 2R and the 918 is the weight. They would definitely need to make a record specific tyre like they did for the GT2RS. The Cup 2R N0 was designed to last for one lap on the Nordschleife. Of course it lasts longer in the hands of an amateur, but in the hands of a pro it's gone when the car passes the finish line. I spoke to my contact at Michelin about the SF90 tyres for example, and they have made the compound slightly harder on the inside than they normally would, because of the weight. The tyre for the GT2RS for example, was made for a car that weight a lot less than the 918. My point is that unless you put a tyre on that can handle the weight of the 918, then there's not that big of an advantage. While the 918 does have 903 hp in hot lap mode, its actual power to weight ratio is not that different from the GT2RS. Don't forget that the rated power of the GT2RS is pretty darn conservative.If the 918 runs 6:45 on Cup 2 shoes, my guess is that it will run 6:40-6:41 on Cup 2R. It will take a lot for a 918 to beat the GT2RS MR, I actually doubt it can do that.
Old 11-01-2021, 10:29 AM
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I've said it before - my only issue with the new Z06 is weight.

If they are claiming a 'dry' weight of 3450 with the Z07 (Full Carbon Doodads, Aero etc.), the actual curb weight might kiss around 3600lbs when everything is said and done.

The regular Z06 might be somewhere around 3700 - 3800lbs which is porky.

Heck my ZL1/1LE w/backseats is at a curb weight of 3830lbs. It also has the LT4 motor which churns out 650hp/tq.

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Old 11-01-2021, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Checkmate
I've said it before - my old issue with the new Z06 is weight.

If they are claiming a 'dry' weight of 3450 with the Z07 (Full Carbon Doodads, Aero etc.), the actual curb weight might kiss around 3600lbs when everything is said and done.

The regular Z06 might be somewhere around 3700 - 3800lbs which is porky.

Heck my ZL1/1LE w/backseats is at a curb weight of 3830lbs. It also has the LT4 motor which churns out 650hp/tq.
A "real" spec GT3RS tips the scales around 3250 if you option it with bigger gas tank and get radio/AC etc. 3600 lbs is 350 lbs heavier but you get 150 hp more and mid engine dynamics which will hide the weight and in fact perform better. You cant win everywhere, if the car weighed 3250 lbs, it wouldnt be 670 hp.
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Originally Posted by 3-Pedals
A "real" spec GT3RS tips the scales around 3250 if you option it with bigger gas tank and get radio/AC etc. 3600 lbs is 350 lbs heavier but you get 150 hp more and mid engine dynamics which will hide the weight and in fact perform better. You cant win everywhere, if the car weighed 3250 lbs, it wouldnt be 670 hp.
I get it but I think they could have pushed the envelope a little more with respect to weight, some ideas are as follows -

Titanium Exhaust (like C5 Z06)
Light weight rear glass

All that being said - realistically this car optioned will still be potentially around $100k less than a well spec'd GT3 with similar features.

No small feat to be the jack of all trades with the Z06 for their core market.

Old 11-01-2021, 11:27 AM
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i bet there will eventually be a light weight version z06 with no sound deadening, thin glass, battery, seats, etc. radio and a/c delete. maybe 3500 lbs. might be last version c8 offered after e ray and zora. i wouldnt be interested in it though as 200 lbs wouldnt make enough of a difference on track to make up for the street short comings. at that point just get a dedicated track car and either store it at track or trailer it.
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Originally Posted by 95spiderman
i bet there will eventually be a light weight version z06 with no sound deadening, thin glass, battery, seats, etc. radio and a/c delete. maybe 3500 lbs. might be last version c8 offered after e ray and zora. i wouldnt be interested in it though as 200 lbs wouldnt make enough of a difference on track to make up for the street short comings. at that point just get a dedicated track car and either store it at track or trailer it.
I don't think that's part of Chevy's playbook. At least not historically.
Old 11-01-2021, 04:26 PM
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Impressive. Beautiful engine. Sounds great.

I just wish these cars didn't look like cheap Hot Wheels toys. They are the Ed Hardy t-shirts of the automotive world. I don't care how fun it is to drive or how affordable it is for the performance. It still looks kinda gaudy to me. And I drive a GT3RS lol. The chevron design language is just ugly for me.

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The expensive part of having the Z06 will be tires. Figure $3200 every 6 mths or 5K miles
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Originally Posted by FourT6and2
Impressive. Beautiful engine. Sounds great.

I just wish these cars didn't look like cheap Hot Wheels toys. They are the Ed Hardy t-shirts of the automotive world. I don't care how fun it is to drive or how affordable it is for the performance. It still looks kinda gaudy to me. And I drive a GT3RS lol. The chevron design language is just ugly for me.
It actually does not look that cheap in person. I have seen C8s and I own a C7 ZR1. I think it looks unique and different, cheap? No. In fact, my ZR1 has far more carbon fiber than my GT3RS and the quality of carbon fiber weave/manufacturing process (paint and clear coat) is far better than Porsche's. Mclaren's look a lot busier than C8 Z06. What C8 has is very sharp edges vs Porsche's very curvy smooth design. I like them both but prefer Porsche more but Corvettes truly have unique characteristics. They are really overbuilt from a drive train perspective. I wish we could get a GT3RS and a ZR1 on a lift and get under them and compare. Its impossible explain this in a forum post.


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