Diablo Dude

And I dont see your opinion on the economy or the financial markets being worth much "value".
You and the "gloom and doom" crowd have been wrong for so long, it's not even funny.

bpeacock

As a data point for Sport Classics I had a dealer text me one last week inbound, asking 175k over MSRP. MSRP on it is 276k.

Scottykenneth

My local dealer is asking 300,000$ over. Lol. Comical.

bpeacock

LOL. Wow

Scottykenneth

Exactly!! $289,000 for the car + $300,000. LMAO


This one is $404,000 over! What the actual F. https://finder.porsche.com/us/en-US/...&order=closest

usctrojanGT3

For a SC? That's beyond funny. Anyone who pays close to that needs to lose all of their money because they are a huge moron.

usctrojanGT3

Let's see....a 997 4L or a SC? Hmmmmm, let me think about it for a second.

maroli

The last few 992 auctions I found (don't think anyone has posted these)

Loaded Touring with exclusive interior, RNM, top bid was pretty low at 230k, looks like they're asking $265k
https://www.pcarmarket.com/auction/d...gt3-touring-7/

Shark blue touring, PDK, RNM at $241k
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...t3-touring-36/

DodoBrd

I’d say we are seeing a chasm between PDK and MT prices similar to PTS and non-PTS

mnawa

lol

maroli

Yeah potentially causing some of the delta - the premium in 991.2 land is around $10k - 15k more for manual. However, this delta might be more exacerbated with touring models as maybe most people in the market for Tourings are especially interested in manuals given they're less likely to be taking their cars on a track.

DodoBrd

out of the 114 992 GT3 cars listed for sale, only 3 are PTS + MT (and one of those is Ivory lol). Little inventory that gets snatched up. Heck, 2/3 of cars for sale are PDK.

WCGhost

Small sample size, but looking at the touring manual and touring PDK cars that have been on Pcar and BAT the past 9 months the PDK cars actually get a slight premium over MSRP than touring manuals when excluding PTS cars. The PTS + Manual cars grab significant premiums and tend to skew things, but if you just look at non PTS the mark up is very close. PDK tourings also have the lowest production numbers for 2022 MY.

I showed 12 cars across both sites, and looking at any ended auction including sold and unsold. So ending price as a % of MSRP. One interesting thing to note is that the mileage has not played a significant factor in the price, two of the highest mileage cars went for the highest premiums.

Average markup (trailing ~9 months) 27.7%
PDK Markup (trailing ~ 9 months) 28.2%
Manual Markup 27.33%
2023 Average Markup 27%
Q1 2023 Markup 28.15%
Q2 2023 Markup 24.23% (seems like a slight decline in prices of non PTS cars, but there are fewer transactions in Q2 and it is partial)

This is just for tourings, you may be correct in the wing + PDK demanding less. Overall there is not enough data to draw conclusions besides knowing PTS gets a lot more money. Lower MSRP cars tend to get a higher markup as a % of MSRP.

DodoBrd

yeah, basically there’s PTS + MT, and then everything else

usctrojanGT3

Good PTS colors always get strong bids, it's amplified that much more for MT Tourings.