A place to discuss all things ADM
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rhk118 (09-19-2021)
#527
Yes back to ADMs.and my turn to beat the dead horse.
My take: High end car prices are not coming back down. If ADM goes away is because Porsche monetizes the demand and jacks up the MSRP. GT3 is a $200k car plus options, whether a chunk goes to the dealer or not.
Too much money in the system for prices to go down. Pay no mind to CPI, real world inflation is through the roof. A gallon of milk may be 5% higher, but the contractor redoing your deck is charging 3x the price of two years ago, cash payment off the books highly preferred, and he can't wait to get his hands on a nice car himself. And of course many people who own assets are sitting on 50% to 100% gains from 2 years ago.
And mind you I'm not even saying that's a bad thing, overall.
My take: High end car prices are not coming back down. If ADM goes away is because Porsche monetizes the demand and jacks up the MSRP. GT3 is a $200k car plus options, whether a chunk goes to the dealer or not.
Too much money in the system for prices to go down. Pay no mind to CPI, real world inflation is through the roof. A gallon of milk may be 5% higher, but the contractor redoing your deck is charging 3x the price of two years ago, cash payment off the books highly preferred, and he can't wait to get his hands on a nice car himself. And of course many people who own assets are sitting on 50% to 100% gains from 2 years ago.
And mind you I'm not even saying that's a bad thing, overall.
#531
Yes back to ADMs.and my turn to beat the dead horse.
My take: High end car prices are not coming back down. If ADM goes away is because Porsche monetizes the demand and jacks up the MSRP. GT3 is a $200k car plus options, whether a chunk goes to the dealer or not.
Too much money in the system for prices to go down. Pay no mind to CPI, real world inflation is through the roof. A gallon of milk may be 5% higher, but the contractor redoing your deck is charging 3x the price of two years ago, cash payment off the books highly preferred, and he can't wait to get his hands on a nice car himself. And of course many people who own assets are sitting on 50% to 100% gains from 2 years ago.
And mind you I'm not even saying that's a bad thing, overall.
My take: High end car prices are not coming back down. If ADM goes away is because Porsche monetizes the demand and jacks up the MSRP. GT3 is a $200k car plus options, whether a chunk goes to the dealer or not.
Too much money in the system for prices to go down. Pay no mind to CPI, real world inflation is through the roof. A gallon of milk may be 5% higher, but the contractor redoing your deck is charging 3x the price of two years ago, cash payment off the books highly preferred, and he can't wait to get his hands on a nice car himself. And of course many people who own assets are sitting on 50% to 100% gains from 2 years ago.
And mind you I'm not even saying that's a bad thing, overall.
#533
No ADM and first time new car buyer.
I have always bought used. However, in March of this year, I stopped in and got an allocation with no ADM. Received car in August, and now realize how lucky I was.
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Freddie Two Bs (09-19-2021)
#534
Technical fans are not up to fundamental research or too lazy and they all eventually lose money.
As noted - take a chart book from five years ago and test your system and you will find your results are random walk. The shorter term your horizon the more random the results.
looking at past data that is the distillation of an endless number of unforeseeable events - deaths, price changes for commodities, interest rates, mergers - financial results and on and on is just to any rational person pointless.
I was a NASDAQ market maker for 25 years and we did not use charts - we looked for a way to find a spread that was to our advantage.
As noted - I have been in the business for 45 years and I operated my own brokerage firm for decades and now a RIA advisory firm for the pas20 plus years and I have never met someone who got rich day trading using charting - but I know many that lost fortunes. Also an MBA with a focus on equity investing.
Typically chartists are having fun when the market is strong and generally most stocks are rising so they sell this one for that one and that one rises and they say it was because of their charting prowess - until the market goes into a protracted period and then they lose a bunch of money and panic and sell and so on.
good luck - you will need it- some chartists can get lucky- but in 45 years I have not met one yet.
You will find that most of these Porsche’s are bought by guys that had equity shares or stock options for a company and over the years this company prospered and their shares appreciated. The guys with an interest in companies that failed are not buying a porsche.
No point in arguing- I wish you the best of luck and get Back to discussing Porsche’s and allocations and so on. Something that is actually fun.
As noted - take a chart book from five years ago and test your system and you will find your results are random walk. The shorter term your horizon the more random the results.
looking at past data that is the distillation of an endless number of unforeseeable events - deaths, price changes for commodities, interest rates, mergers - financial results and on and on is just to any rational person pointless.
I was a NASDAQ market maker for 25 years and we did not use charts - we looked for a way to find a spread that was to our advantage.
As noted - I have been in the business for 45 years and I operated my own brokerage firm for decades and now a RIA advisory firm for the pas20 plus years and I have never met someone who got rich day trading using charting - but I know many that lost fortunes. Also an MBA with a focus on equity investing.
Typically chartists are having fun when the market is strong and generally most stocks are rising so they sell this one for that one and that one rises and they say it was because of their charting prowess - until the market goes into a protracted period and then they lose a bunch of money and panic and sell and so on.
good luck - you will need it- some chartists can get lucky- but in 45 years I have not met one yet.
You will find that most of these Porsche’s are bought by guys that had equity shares or stock options for a company and over the years this company prospered and their shares appreciated. The guys with an interest in companies that failed are not buying a porsche.
No point in arguing- I wish you the best of luck and get Back to discussing Porsche’s and allocations and so on. Something that is actually fun.
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#535
Originally Posted by Targa32
Technical fans are not up to fundamental research or too lazy and they all eventually lose money.
As noted - take a chart book from five years ago and test your system and you will find your results are random walk. The shorter term your horizon the more random the results.
looking at past data that is the distillation of an endless number of unforeseeable events - deaths, price changes for commodities, interest rates, mergers - financial results and on and on is just to any rational person pointless.
I was a NASDAQ market maker for 25 years and we did not use charts - we looked for a way to find a spread that was to our advantage.
As noted - I have been in the business for 45 years and I operated my own brokerage firm for decades and now a RIA advisory firm for the pas20 plus years and I have never met someone who got rich day trading using charting - but I know many that lost fortunes. Also an MBA with a focus on equity investing.
Typically chartists are having fun when the market is strong and generally most stocks are rising so they sell this one for that one and that one rises and they say it was because of their charting prowess - until the market goes into a protracted period and then they lose a bunch of money and panic and sell and so on.
good luck - you will need it- some chartists can get lucky- but in 45 years I have not met one yet.
You will find that most of these Porsche’s are bought by guys that had equity shares or stock options for a company and over the years this company prospered and their shares appreciated. The guys with an interest in companies that failed are not buying a porsche.
No point in arguing- I wish you the best of luck and get Back to discussing Porsche’s and allocations and so on. Something that is actually fun.
As noted - take a chart book from five years ago and test your system and you will find your results are random walk. The shorter term your horizon the more random the results.
looking at past data that is the distillation of an endless number of unforeseeable events - deaths, price changes for commodities, interest rates, mergers - financial results and on and on is just to any rational person pointless.
I was a NASDAQ market maker for 25 years and we did not use charts - we looked for a way to find a spread that was to our advantage.
As noted - I have been in the business for 45 years and I operated my own brokerage firm for decades and now a RIA advisory firm for the pas20 plus years and I have never met someone who got rich day trading using charting - but I know many that lost fortunes. Also an MBA with a focus on equity investing.
Typically chartists are having fun when the market is strong and generally most stocks are rising so they sell this one for that one and that one rises and they say it was because of their charting prowess - until the market goes into a protracted period and then they lose a bunch of money and panic and sell and so on.
good luck - you will need it- some chartists can get lucky- but in 45 years I have not met one yet.
You will find that most of these Porsche’s are bought by guys that had equity shares or stock options for a company and over the years this company prospered and their shares appreciated. The guys with an interest in companies that failed are not buying a porsche.
No point in arguing- I wish you the best of luck and get Back to discussing Porsche’s and allocations and so on. Something that is actually fun.
#536
Technical fans are not up to fundamental research or too lazy and they all eventually lose money.
As noted - take a chart book from five years ago and test your system and you will find your results are random walk. The shorter term your horizon the more random the results.
looking at past data that is the distillation of an endless number of unforeseeable events - deaths, price changes for commodities, interest rates, mergers - financial results and on and on is just to any rational person pointless.
I was a NASDAQ market maker for 25 years and we did not use charts - we looked for a way to find a spread that was to our advantage.
As noted - I have been in the business for 45 years and I operated my own brokerage firm for decades and now a RIA advisory firm for the pas20 plus years and I have never met someone who got rich day trading using charting - but I know many that lost fortunes. Also an MBA with a focus on equity investing.
Typically chartists are having fun when the market is strong and generally most stocks are rising so they sell this one for that one and that one rises and they say it was because of their charting prowess - until the market goes into a protracted period and then they lose a bunch of money and panic and sell and so on.
good luck - you will need it- some chartists can get lucky- but in 45 years I have not met one yet.
You will find that most of these Porsche’s are bought by guys that had equity shares or stock options for a company and over the years this company prospered and their shares appreciated. The guys with an interest in companies that failed are not buying a porsche.
No point in arguing- I wish you the best of luck and get Back to discussing Porsche’s and allocations and so on. Something that is actually fun.
As noted - take a chart book from five years ago and test your system and you will find your results are random walk. The shorter term your horizon the more random the results.
looking at past data that is the distillation of an endless number of unforeseeable events - deaths, price changes for commodities, interest rates, mergers - financial results and on and on is just to any rational person pointless.
I was a NASDAQ market maker for 25 years and we did not use charts - we looked for a way to find a spread that was to our advantage.
As noted - I have been in the business for 45 years and I operated my own brokerage firm for decades and now a RIA advisory firm for the pas20 plus years and I have never met someone who got rich day trading using charting - but I know many that lost fortunes. Also an MBA with a focus on equity investing.
Typically chartists are having fun when the market is strong and generally most stocks are rising so they sell this one for that one and that one rises and they say it was because of their charting prowess - until the market goes into a protracted period and then they lose a bunch of money and panic and sell and so on.
good luck - you will need it- some chartists can get lucky- but in 45 years I have not met one yet.
You will find that most of these Porsche’s are bought by guys that had equity shares or stock options for a company and over the years this company prospered and their shares appreciated. The guys with an interest in companies that failed are not buying a porsche.
No point in arguing- I wish you the best of luck and get Back to discussing Porsche’s and allocations and so on. Something that is actually fun.
Hangseng down 4 percent
S&P future down 0.8 percent
Will this stop gt3 craze?
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#539
Technical fans are not up to fundamental research or too lazy and they all eventually lose money.
As noted - take a chart book from five years ago and test your system and you will find your results are random walk. The shorter term your horizon the more random the results.
looking at past data that is the distillation of an endless number of unforeseeable events - deaths, price changes for commodities, interest rates, mergers - financial results and on and on is just to any rational person pointless.
I was a NASDAQ market maker for 25 years and we did not use charts - we looked for a way to find a spread that was to our advantage.
As noted - I have been in the business for 45 years and I operated my own brokerage firm for decades and now a RIA advisory firm for the pas20 plus years and I have never met someone who got rich day trading using charting - but I know many that lost fortunes. Also an MBA with a focus on equity investing.
Typically chartists are having fun when the market is strong and generally most stocks are rising so they sell this one for that one and that one rises and they say it was because of their charting prowess - until the market goes into a protracted period and then they lose a bunch of money and panic and sell and so on.
good luck - you will need it- some chartists can get lucky- but in 45 years I have not met one yet.
You will find that most of these Porsche’s are bought by guys that had equity shares or stock options for a company and over the years this company prospered and their shares appreciated. The guys with an interest in companies that failed are not buying a porsche.
No point in arguing- I wish you the best of luck and get Back to discussing Porsche’s and allocations and so on. Something that is actually fun.
As noted - take a chart book from five years ago and test your system and you will find your results are random walk. The shorter term your horizon the more random the results.
looking at past data that is the distillation of an endless number of unforeseeable events - deaths, price changes for commodities, interest rates, mergers - financial results and on and on is just to any rational person pointless.
I was a NASDAQ market maker for 25 years and we did not use charts - we looked for a way to find a spread that was to our advantage.
As noted - I have been in the business for 45 years and I operated my own brokerage firm for decades and now a RIA advisory firm for the pas20 plus years and I have never met someone who got rich day trading using charting - but I know many that lost fortunes. Also an MBA with a focus on equity investing.
Typically chartists are having fun when the market is strong and generally most stocks are rising so they sell this one for that one and that one rises and they say it was because of their charting prowess - until the market goes into a protracted period and then they lose a bunch of money and panic and sell and so on.
good luck - you will need it- some chartists can get lucky- but in 45 years I have not met one yet.
You will find that most of these Porsche’s are bought by guys that had equity shares or stock options for a company and over the years this company prospered and their shares appreciated. The guys with an interest in companies that failed are not buying a porsche.
No point in arguing- I wish you the best of luck and get Back to discussing Porsche’s and allocations and so on. Something that is actually fun.
Last edited by NYCGT3; 09-20-2021 at 11:22 AM.
#540
Proper market research is both fundamental and technical. They both have their place. I find technical analysis better suited for downside protection in shorter investment durations and fundamental better suited to long term portfolio management. If you're not using some degree of both, you can do better
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