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Old 07-09-2021, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by smellycat
For sure a partial change of heart. My Max adm was 15 and I had to go with 20 to get the car. Was hesitant to do so since more money I’d always worse than less money. But i bit the bullet and did it anyways. Maybe I’m a good example. After wringing my hands on an adm and then ultimately paying for it, I no longer care.
Spoken like a true car guy. A couple less bucks in the bank and a bad *** car in the garage. Sounds like a winning scenario to me.
Old 07-09-2021, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by wintershade
Why doesn’t Porsche just raise the MSRP for GT3 to $195K. Clearly there is a market for these cars around that price point, given my hunch is most people are paying $25-35K ADMs. There might be some buyers who are building to a budget that order fewer options, but Porsche margins would still be better on average. Seems like it would end most of the ADM shenanigans since beyond a certain point (call it $250K or so) a lot of other more exotic options become available. I don’t really get it.
On a Porsche as you know MSRP isn't - the average Porsche has $18K in options, much higher for Gt3s. Willing to bet the GT3 average is around $200K. Porsche is doing just fine on the cars, and the dealers pocket the market adjustments.
Old 07-09-2021, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by CAlexio
Truth is we don't know.. but it's reasonable to think that Porsche will build to demand as they always have. They adjust the 911 production line according to what the market wants... Remember, this is nothing more than a regular 911 with an engine and some off-the-shelf parts that they combine into a car they call a "Gt3" to send us addicted fools all into titillations. Profit margin's are probably a little bit higher on this due to the price, costs are just the same to build it as anything else, the more options we order the more money they make. It's all the same **** in a different marketing package. Look at how they increase production for the 991 GT3... It's likely and reasonable to think it will increase it even more this go round.
The GT3 shared very little with the standard Carreras, door panels and roof IIRC. If you've ever tried to retrofit a Carrera into an RS or GT car, you'd find there are hundreds of parts changes to make the car motorsport ready. It's not a marketing exercise, although they do market it well
Old 07-09-2021, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by raymort
It’s called inflation…

Maybe a few will get burned, but to quite a few others, it appears they are willing to pay the ADM (because they can) for the car they want now and aren’t too worried about it.

Sounds like you aren’t in that boat and are a little butthurt about it. Not saying you are, but it sounds that way…
Butthurt? haha No my friend, I'm not butthurt as I already have several GT cars in my garage and don't have the time to drive them and enough garage space for more cars. The want factor for a GT3 for me is not very high because it's just a step into the 3RS so there is zero desire to pay an ADM to get into one. If I get one at MSRP, I'll buy it and drive it for a bit until I get an 3RS. Like I said before, once the Fed takes the punch bowl away and the gov't cheese runs dry things will get back to normal. Have you seen some of the commodity charts recently, like lumber? Yeah, same thing will happen with the GT3 eventually....it's a depreciating asset.
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Old 07-09-2021, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by PTS
I don't understand this statement at all. Why would anyone who gets to order one of the first 992 GT3s exactly the way they want be shedding tears if they POTENTIALLY lose a bit of value on their car in the future? That implies that anyone who pays an ADM only cares about value retention. Absurd comment when it's likely the opposite..people paying over sticker on a car likely care less than the ones who won't
They will when they go to sell their car and it sells for under MSRP, they'll hate themselves for paying the ADM (I know I did with the 991.1RS). You'd be surprised how many people care, I mean how many damn value threads do you see on here? I don't see many on F-chat, just sayin.
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Old 07-09-2021, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by mooty
Trojan been around the block a few times. I got much respect for the hustler. he knows how to get msrp car. I know him well.
Doesn't seem so, he said he paid ADM for his 991.1 3RS and hasn't received an MSRP allocation for the 992. I'm sure he's been around the block with GT cars I just don't understand the sentiment towards those that are willing to pay a ~10% ADM to get the car they want. This topic sucks anyway.
Old 07-09-2021, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by PTS
Doesn't seem so, he said he paid ADM for his 991.1 3RS and hasn't received an MSRP allocation for the 992. I'm sure he's been around the block with GT cars I just don't understand the sentiment towards those that are willing to pay a ~10% ADM to get the car they want. This topic sucks anyway.
I got a 991.2 GT3 and 991.2 GT3RS and 718 GT4 at MSRP but I haven't pushed hard to get a 992.1 GT3 at MSRP because the want factor isn't high. I just know how this will play out in 1-2 years. I track all of my GT cars so I could care less how much I sell them for when it's time to move on.
Old 07-09-2021, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3
I track all of my GT cars so I could care less how much I sell them for when it's time to move on.
Amen. That’s what it’s all about!
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Old 07-09-2021, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3
I got a 991.2 GT3 and 991.2 GT3RS and 718 GT4 at MSRP but I haven't pushed hard to get a 992.1 GT3 at MSRP because the want factor isn't high. I just know how this will play out in 1-2 years. I track all of my GT cars so I could care less how much I sell them for when it's time to move on.
Sorry, but if you had so much money that you "didn't care what they sell for when you move on", you would pay ADM and get the car(s) asap. You don't get to the level of buying $200k toys by being stupid with money.
Old 07-09-2021, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by CAlexio
Can we also Make a list of buyers who pay unconscionably high ADM's whatever that means? It takes two to tango and these reckless spenders should publicly shamed and punished for enabling these dealers.

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Old 07-09-2021, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by PTS
Doesn't seem so, he said he paid ADM for his 991.1 3RS and hasn't received an MSRP allocation for the 992. I'm sure he's been around the block with GT cars I just don't understand the sentiment towards those that are willing to pay a ~10% ADM to get the car they want. This topic sucks anyway.
At this point, happy to pay 10% adm. Not a single dealer returning calls, emails or whatever at 10%. Dealers are looking for 20%+ now.
Old 07-09-2021, 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by michaeldorian
At this point, happy to pay 10% adm. Not a single dealer returning calls, emails or whatever at 10%. Dealers are looking for 20%+ now.
dont feel bad. I just got my budget for the house we are building. It came in 2 million over what we had told our builder what we were expecting to spend. 30k adm doesn’t seem so bad anymore.
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Old 07-09-2021, 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris C.
The GT3 shared very little with the standard Carreras, door panels and roof IIRC. If you've ever tried to retrofit a Carrera into an RS or GT car, you'd find there are hundreds of parts changes to make the car motorsport ready. It's not a marketing exercise, although they do market it well
GT cars not profits leaders for Porsche. Neither in terms of total profit, nor (more importantly) profit margins per vehicle.
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Old 07-10-2021, 12:51 AM
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This thread is even worse than the Tesla thread. A serious and effort full accomplishment
Old 07-10-2021, 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by joejenie
Sorry, but if you had so much money that you "didn't care what they sell for when you move on", you would pay ADM and get the car(s) asap. You don't get to the level of buying $200k toys by being stupid with money.
I won't pay an ADM on a car that I don't have a big want for because I work way too hard for my money but being able to track the cars and do canyon runs is well paid depreciation in my mind. I paid over for a 991.1RS, it bothered me and I told myself I'd never do it again (I also learned to be more patient). I know the cars that I buy will depreciate because I drive them but I'm not willing to add an ADM to that depreciation when I know it's a horrible time to buy a car today.
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