991.2 "undisguised"
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A 420 hp gas powered car that gets 38mpg... Porsche must've figured out how to design around the laws of physics!I used the 42 mpg figure to convince SWMBO that a GTS PDK would make an economical commute car. She saw through the lie but I ordered the car anyway.
http://www.porsche.com/uk/models/911...turesandspecs/
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Porsche has the highest $$$ entry point and average vehicle cost of any of the brands listed. It is not a brand for most people to grow with like BMW/MB where entry is $30k and tops out at $200k.
Half of Porsche's product portfolio is 2 door sports cars. Most people do not buy small sports cars as their daily driver, making it effectively a luxury item for a large portion of owners.
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http://www.mpgtokpl.com/mpgustompguk.htm
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I wonder if this is a US gallon vs Imperial gallon issue i.e. it's actually around 31mpg (US)
http://www.mpgtokpl.com/mpgustompguk.htm
http://www.mpgtokpl.com/mpgustompguk.htm
That said, there's no way the U.S. mpg rating for combined driving is going to be 31mpg. I'd say there's a slim chance the highway mileage for the S could rise by that much (4mpg), but I expect it'll be closer to 2mpg improvement.
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Oh it's clearly not U.S. spec and/or testing methodology. I was just poking fun.
That said, there's no way the U.S. mpg rating for combined driving is going to be 31mpg. I'd say there's a slim chance the highway mileage for the S could rise by that much (4mpg), but I expect it'll be closer to 2mpg improvement.
That said, there's no way the U.S. mpg rating for combined driving is going to be 31mpg. I'd say there's a slim chance the highway mileage for the S could rise by that much (4mpg), but I expect it'll be closer to 2mpg improvement.
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I have not seen some of this information before.. Pulled from another German forum... maybe all a lot of rumour and conjecture... 3.0L turbo flat six in all cars. C2: 370 PS @ 6500 rpm, 4,3 to 100 km/h C2S: 420 PS @ 6600 rpm (450 with powerkit) 4,0 to 100 km/h (+0,2 sec for manual with the same gearing) max torque ~500 Nm @ 1700-? rpm good surge until 5000 rpm, less urge from 5000 to the 7500 rpm redline. 38 mpg 1475kg Soundsymposer 918-style mode switch with "Sport", "Sport Plus", "Individual" settings instead of buttons. Red center button that shifts the PDK into the optimum gear, the turbos precharge electrically (!?) for perfect throttle response (no overboost). This lasts 120 seconds. Active aero flaps in the front bumper for cooling and balance above 170 km/h One of the settings lowers the ride height by 20mm - 50mm front lift standard on all cars. C2S with ChronoPlus has RWS and an e-LSD. New PCM with multitouch and handwriting recognition Optional lane change assistant and center console raised 15mm "to cater to the changing customer profile of the carrera"
Lag with elec assist should be minimized greatly. I won't be surprised if it turns out to be a great car to drive. Mileage numbers for most here that usually leave the garage in sport or sport plus won't be any kind of deal maker or breaker.
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Being smaller turbocharged engines, the 991.2 EPA and euro drive cycle emissions and consumption numbers will best the 991.1 ...that's why Ferrari and Porsche have to play this cat and mouse game at this time , appeasing air quality regulators ...BUT...in the real world, in the way most 911 drivers , esp many of those on boards like this , drive expect far worse gas mileage than the outgoing equivalent 991.1 models ...and when you factor in the " overboost " functionalty these motors will come with that will be played with constantly ......need I say more ?
A perfect example I made is the comparison between the 5 year old NA V8 450hp RS5 with the new Turbo 6 cylinder 425hp M4. Near identical performance (RS5 is much heavier and AWD), size, class, etc. The difference in EPA rated mpg with both cars in DCT form is 1mpg. And if you go on the F80 forum and search, you'll find that the real world mileage varies widely based on how the driver drives the car. Hard drivers are getting mileage below the EPA ratings, which has also been noted in some of the reviews.
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Which engine is this?
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I'd pay extra for the painted metal decklid, but you couldn't give me a ducktail on a 911 for free.