991.2 "undisguised"
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Try 3050 lbs for basic stripped manual 993 C2. Yup. With 270-282hp to drive it. Now try 3150 for the same car in 991GTS flavor, with a full tank of gas, measured by one of our very own friends here on RL a few months ago, with pictures of the scales. And 430hp. So 150-160 extra hp to carry that extra 100 pounds. And the 991 is the lightest 911 since the 993.
964 was the last 911 under 3000 pounds, and it just barely. And that was a long, long time ago, my friend.
http://www.excellence-mag.com/resour...2#.VbWEVZK9KSN
964 was the last 911 under 3000 pounds, and it just barely. And that was a long, long time ago, my friend.
http://www.excellence-mag.com/resour...2#.VbWEVZK9KSN
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Also Cloud9, and I truly don't mean this in a smarmy, get out of here way at all, but the 911 may not be the right car for you in the place you are. If I didn't live an hour south of the best mountain roads on the east coast (and according to many west-coast journos who wind up coming to Porsche's Atlanta HQ to test drive cars, perhaps the best driving roads in the US), I might very well rethink what car would be best for me. Honestly, for GTS money it would likely be a Vantage V8 because they're plenty fast and they look... well, they simply look perfect.
But they don't drive as well as a 911 in the places that are fun to exploit a 911's unique strengths. Boulevards aren't that place. An AMG might really be a better choice for you.
But hey, if you wanna try a 911, have at it. Just know that 140,000 dollars in just about any other brand out there will get you a whole lot more power and torque.
But they don't drive as well as a 911 in the places that are fun to exploit a 911's unique strengths. Boulevards aren't that place. An AMG might really be a better choice for you.
But hey, if you wanna try a 911, have at it. Just know that 140,000 dollars in just about any other brand out there will get you a whole lot more power and torque.
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Also Cloud9, and I truly don't mean this in a smarmy, get out of here way at all, but the 911 may not be the right car for you in the place you are. If I didn't live an hour south of the best mountain roads on the east coast (and according to many west-coast journos who wind up coming to Porsche's Atlanta HQ to test drive cars, perhaps the best driving roads in the US), I might very well rethink what car would be best for me. Honestly, for GTS money it would likely be a Vantage V8 because they're plenty fast and they look... well, they simply look perfect.
But they don't drive as well as a 911 in the places that are fun to exploit a 911's unique strengths. Boulevards aren't that place. An AMG might really be a better choice for you.
But hey, if you wanna try a 911, have at it. Just know that 140,000 dollars in just about any other brand out there will get you a whole lot more power and torque.
But they don't drive as well as a 911 in the places that are fun to exploit a 911's unique strengths. Boulevards aren't that place. An AMG might really be a better choice for you.
But hey, if you wanna try a 911, have at it. Just know that 140,000 dollars in just about any other brand out there will get you a whole lot more power and torque.
The new AMG-GT intrigues me, but with it flamboyant styling, I just can't imagine myself driving it at all. And that car is far less practical than any non-GT 911 when driven as a daily driver. The truth is I have been a fan of 911 since teenager, and I don't think I will miss out much if I am able to track the thing dozen times a year at the local circuits. Even for the non-GT 911, they are excellent track cars, just need some track pads and sticker tire (and perhaps some additional neg. camber at the front) and they will lap around BMWs and Corvettes all day in the right hands. I could just get a M4 and call it a day. But for that car to be truly capable, you would have to upgrade the brakes (stock BMW brakes still sub-par in the new M3/4 for track duty btw), and upgrade the suspension, front camber plates, and bushings to deal with the 3600lb curb weight of that car. And after living with the hard bushings, solid bearing camber plates, and stiff track capable coilovers on my car for the past two years, I just want a more refined and balanced, track capable car that is still suitable as a DD or even as a the only car (shall see if I want to keep the BMW around by then).
No worry, but I think I know what I want for my next car
Last edited by cloud9blue; Jul 27, 2015 at 12:07 AM. Reason: typo
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Try 3050 lbs for basic stripped manual 993 C2. Yup. With 270-282hp to drive it. Now try 3150 for the same car in 991GTS flavor, with a full tank of gas, measured by one of our very own friends here on RL a few months ago, with pictures of the scales. And 430hp. So 150-160 extra hp to carry that extra 100 pounds. And the 991 is the lightest 911 since the 993.
964 was the last 911 under 3000 pounds, and it just barely. And that was a long, long time ago, my friend.
http://www.excellence-mag.com/resour...2#.VbWEVZK9KSN
964 was the last 911 under 3000 pounds, and it just barely. And that was a long, long time ago, my friend.
http://www.excellence-mag.com/resour...2#.VbWEVZK9KSN
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From: Silverstone, Great Britain.
I have not seen some of this information before.. Pulled from another German forum... maybe all a lot of rumour and conjecture...
3.0L turbo flat six in all cars.
C2: 370 PS @ 6500 rpm, 4,3 to 100 km/h
C2S: 420 PS @ 6600 rpm (450 with powerkit) 4,0 to 100 km/h
(+0,2 sec for manual with the same gearing)
max torque ~500 Nm @ 1700-? rpm
good surge until 5000 rpm, less urge from 5000 to the 7500 rpm redline.
38 mpg
1475kg
Soundsymposer
918-style mode switch with "Sport", "Sport Plus", "Individual" settings instead of buttons. Red center button that shifts the PDK into the optimum gear, the turbos precharge electrically (!?) for perfect throttle response (no overboost). This lasts 120 seconds.
Active aero flaps in the front bumper for cooling and balance above 170 km/h
One of the settings lowers the ride height by 20mm - 50mm front lift standard on all cars.
C2S with ChronoPlus has RWS and an e-LSD.
New PCM with multitouch and handwriting recognition
Optional lane change assistant and center console raised 15mm "to cater to the changing customer profile of the carrera"
3.0L turbo flat six in all cars.
C2: 370 PS @ 6500 rpm, 4,3 to 100 km/h
C2S: 420 PS @ 6600 rpm (450 with powerkit) 4,0 to 100 km/h
(+0,2 sec for manual with the same gearing)
max torque ~500 Nm @ 1700-? rpm
good surge until 5000 rpm, less urge from 5000 to the 7500 rpm redline.
38 mpg
1475kg
Soundsymposer
918-style mode switch with "Sport", "Sport Plus", "Individual" settings instead of buttons. Red center button that shifts the PDK into the optimum gear, the turbos precharge electrically (!?) for perfect throttle response (no overboost). This lasts 120 seconds.
Active aero flaps in the front bumper for cooling and balance above 170 km/h
One of the settings lowers the ride height by 20mm - 50mm front lift standard on all cars.
C2S with ChronoPlus has RWS and an e-LSD.
New PCM with multitouch and handwriting recognition
Optional lane change assistant and center console raised 15mm "to cater to the changing customer profile of the carrera"
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I have not seen some of this information before.. Pulled from another German forum... maybe all a lot of rumour and conjecture...
3.0L turbo flat six in all cars.
C2: 370 PS @ 6500 rpm, 4,3 to 100 km/h
C2S: 420 PS @ 6600 rpm (450 with powerkit) 4,0 to 100 km/h
(+0,2 sec for manual with the same gearing)
max torque ~500 Nm @ 1700-? rpm
good surge until 5000 rpm, less urge from 5000 to the 7500 rpm redline.
38 mpg
1475kg
Soundsymposer
918-style mode switch with "Sport", "Sport Plus", "Individual" settings instead of buttons. Red center button that shifts the PDK into the optimum gear, the turbos precharge electrically (!?) for perfect throttle response (no overboost). This lasts 120 seconds.
Active aero flaps in the front bumper for cooling and balance above 170 km/h
One of the settings lowers the ride height by 20mm - 50mm front lift standard on all cars.
C2S with ChronoPlus has RWS and an e-LSD.
New PCM with multitouch and handwriting recognition
Optional lane change assistant and center console raised 15mm "to cater to the changing customer profile of the carrera"
3.0L turbo flat six in all cars.
C2: 370 PS @ 6500 rpm, 4,3 to 100 km/h
C2S: 420 PS @ 6600 rpm (450 with powerkit) 4,0 to 100 km/h
(+0,2 sec for manual with the same gearing)
max torque ~500 Nm @ 1700-? rpm
good surge until 5000 rpm, less urge from 5000 to the 7500 rpm redline.
38 mpg
1475kg
Soundsymposer
918-style mode switch with "Sport", "Sport Plus", "Individual" settings instead of buttons. Red center button that shifts the PDK into the optimum gear, the turbos precharge electrically (!?) for perfect throttle response (no overboost). This lasts 120 seconds.
Active aero flaps in the front bumper for cooling and balance above 170 km/h
One of the settings lowers the ride height by 20mm - 50mm front lift standard on all cars.
C2S with ChronoPlus has RWS and an e-LSD.
New PCM with multitouch and handwriting recognition
Optional lane change assistant and center console raised 15mm "to cater to the changing customer profile of the carrera"
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Porsche has ALOT of repeat buyers! Especially with the sports cars. Your salesman is an honest guy. They'll be spinning it showing off the steering wheel and new PCM. Get the buyer inside the car, don't spend much time looking at the exterior, and AVOID talking about the engine.
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Don't know about the system on the 991.2, but GT3 uses a pneumatic lift system powered by an air compressor. Would assume they would use the same components for the 991.2 as well.
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That effects the front axle lift on the car (for maneuvering kerbs etc), its not suitable for full time ride height adjustment in the way an air system works on the Macan/Cayenne ...
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Yes, I remembered the GT3 manual said the system can only be activated under 30mph or so.