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Would love some input on this one, just posted so no photos yet but seems to have the options I'm looking for (PASM, PSE, Sport Chrono, Sport wheel) and is in a non-black or white colour, which I'm a fan of. Found through autotempest which says the price is "fair" but I'm assuming everyone here is going to be more knowledgeable.
Prod Month: 2013-09-01
VIN: WP0AB2A90ES120951
Price: $119,745.00
Exterior: Dark Blue Metallic
Interior: Standard Interior in Black
Warranty Start: April 25, 2014
BASE 911 Carrera S
030 PASM Sport Suspension
176 Sport Exhaust System
250 Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK)
446 Wheel center caps with colored Porsche Crest
603 Porsche Dynamic Light System (PDLS)
640 Sport Chrono Package
653 Electric Slide/Tilt Sunroof in Glass
840 SportDesign steering wheel
AG Standard Interior in Black
N4 Dark Blue Metallic
P06 Power Sport Seats (14-way) with Memory Package
P3D Premium Package i.c.w. Power Sport Seats (14-way)
P3H BOSE® Audio Package
XRT 20" SportTechno Wheels
price seems fair imo given the mileage. If you do go check it out, ask for Phillipe. Good friend who works at that dealership.
Toying with the idea of selling my car but having trouble finding comps to get an idea of value. 2013 991.1 C4S, white on black, 7MT, sport chrono, 56k miles, all service up to date, maintained by one of the best shops in chicago. has ppf on front bumper, hood, fenders, a pillars, both doors, larger patch on rear fenders. Double digit range 1 overrevs when I bought it, I’ve driven it mostly to work so there’s no way that has changed. Carfax has a ‘damage’ on it, I think front bumper might have been repainted at some point. Very solid car. Fidelity platinum until end of this year. If anyone is looking, hit me up.
Price: $123,045.00 Exterior: White Interior: Black standard interior Warranty Start: December 02, 2013 BASE 911 Carrera 4S 0Q White 446 Wheel center caps with colored Porsche Crest 487 7-speed Manual Transmission 603 Porsche Dynamic Light System (PDLS) 636 ParkAssist (front and rear) 640 Sport Chrono Package 653 Sunroof in glass 658 Power Steering Plus 672 Navigation Module 748 Electric folding exterior mirrors 840 SportDesign steering wheel AG Black standard interior P06 Power Sport Seats (14-way) P37 BOSE® Audio Package P3E Premium Package Plus UN1 Online Services XDM Dashboard trim strip painted XFJ Instrument dials in White XRT 20-inch SportTechno wheel XYG Center console trim painted
I guess what I'm confused about is what you're deducting from. So use this car I linked to for example. It's ~2000 miles/year over average, 8 year old car, so ~$8,000 deduction from... the list price? Future resale value? That's just where I'm lost. I appreciate your points though, and get where you're coming from. Also when talking about reliability, I understand that's relative, I wouldn't expect it to be comparable to something like a Camry.
Take the price on a comparable car with 24k-32k miles and deduct 50 cents per mile for anything over that and there's your price. Not the list price. Now if a car has hot options like PCCB you may want to add in for that, and deduct if it doesn't have full leather. YMMV.
Higher mileage cars are harder to sell. Get the best example you can, and I'll also add that used car auction inventory is swelling. In the nexr 90-180 days things are going to change.
Take the price on a comparable car with 24k-32k miles and deduct 50 cents per mile for anything over that and there's your price. Not the list price. Now if a car has hot options like PCCB you may want to add in for that, and deduct if it doesn't have full leather. YMMV.
Higher mileage cars are harder to sell. Get the best example you can, and I'll also add that used car auction inventory is swelling. In the nexr 90-180 days things are going to change.
Ahhh, I gotcha. That makes sense. I'll see what I can find and try that out. Thank you!
Would love some input on this one, just posted so no photos yet but seems to have the options I'm looking for (PASM, PSE, Sport Chrono, Sport wheel) and is in a non-black or white colour, which I'm a fan of. Found through autotempest which says the price is "fair" but I'm assuming everyone here is going to be more knowledgeable.
Prod Month: 2013-09-01
VIN: WP0AB2A90ES120951
Price: $119,745.00
Exterior: Dark Blue Metallic
Interior: Standard Interior in Black
Warranty Start: April 25, 2014
BASE 911 Carrera S
030 PASM Sport Suspension
176 Sport Exhaust System
250 Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK)
446 Wheel center caps with colored Porsche Crest
603 Porsche Dynamic Light System (PDLS)
640 Sport Chrono Package
653 Electric Slide/Tilt Sunroof in Glass
840 SportDesign steering wheel
AG Standard Interior in Black
N4 Dark Blue Metallic
P06 Power Sport Seats (14-way) with Memory Package
P3D Premium Package i.c.w. Power Sport Seats (14-way)
P3H BOSE® Audio Package
XRT 20" SportTechno Wheels
Bought a 2014 991 S with MSRP of $117,000 for around 80K in 2016..
traded it in for mid 50s back in 2019....which the dealer sold it for mid 60s...
crazy to think it's 70s 4 years later!
the next 2-3 years are going to be interesting in the used car market.
Ahhh, I gotcha. That makes sense. I'll see what I can find and try that out. Thank you!
Originally Posted by Upscale Audio
Take the price on a comparable car with 24k-32k miles and deduct 50 cents per mile for anything over that and there's your price. Not the list price. Now if a car has hot options like PCCB you may want to add in for that, and deduct if it doesn't have full leather. YMMV.
Higher mileage cars are harder to sell. Get the best example you can, and I'll also add that used car auction inventory is swelling. In the nexr 90-180 days things are going to change.
I should add that the deduction for mileage may be higher than 50 cents/mile, and that it also flattens out as you get to higher-mileage cars. They are not as sensitive to miles as a Ferrari or Lambo, but the thing to remember there is no free lunch.
A low-mile car = higher price = easier to sell later at a higher price plus a smaller chance of an expensive failure while you own it. Statistically.
Here is a beautiful spec 2016 GTS in white with the super rare $6k Aerokit Cup option. Had I not recently bought one I'd be all over this. It has 16k miles and the ask is $114,999 It is the nicest condition 991 I've seen. It looks 99.9% new and in the wrapper.
It's worth calling out manual or PDK more than other options since that's a binary choice for most people. The car above if a manual that would sell. PDK, I'm not so sure it will fetch that price.
It's worth calling out manual or PDK more than other options since that's a binary choice for most people. The car above if a manual that would sell. PDK, I'm not so sure it will fetch that price.
Correct…100% agree….manual, it would be gone….I would be a buyer.
Here is a beautiful spec 2016 GTS in white with the super rare $6k Aerokit Cup option. Had I not recently bought one I'd be all over this. It has 16k miles and the ask is $114,999 It is the nicest condition 991 I've seen. It looks 99.9% new and in the wrapper.
I moved onto tracking motorcycles a few years ago, and priorities have shifted, so the time has finally come to sell my 2012.5 991.1 C2S but I have no idea what it is worth. Can build sheets still be pulled/posted? The VIN: WP0AB2A91CS122298
Outside of the 120k+ build it has just under 62k miles; fully integrated backup camera; tinted windows. It had a fuel injector go bad a couple years ago and ended up putting $15.5k into it since I also did a bunch of other "while you are in there" service/replacements such as PDK flush; all new cooling system plastics; engine wiring harness (shop owner thought it could have been causing a misfire); and pretty much anything that was suggested by the shop owner. The work was done by KMC in Lawrence, MA and I have the receipts if more details are needed.
We sold our house and moved at the beginning of the year (bet against housing) so it was kept in a climate-controlled garage until recently. I already talked to a private dealer to avoid tire kickers, and took a some quick pictures for him:
I wanted to loop back and give an update on my 911, so you all have some more data. I ended up selling it to Boston Motorsports Maserati (oddly specializes in non-Maserati used luxury cars) for $55k; they were the highest price even compared to Porsche dealers, so keep them in mind if you are in the Boston area and looking to sell a 911.
My rationale: Private-party sale price seemed to be low/mid-$60k area based off RL classifieds and HFS, but it needed pads/rotors (have them, but no time/energy to install), tires, an oil change (light had come on), which would have been $3k+ between shop time/parts, so I felt like I was really looking at ~$60k after those expenses. The other thing that had me hesitate with listing it privately was the fact that it had been a New England daily driver and was showing signs of it. Paint correction, ceramic coating, and two-bucket washing kept the paint in really good shape, but plenty of corrosion on unpainted parts (she was not an Arizona garage queen), so lop of a few thousand more for that, which put me in high-$50k area, which made a clean/easy sale to a dealer at $55k a no-brainer.
It looks like Boston Maserati sent it to one of their other dealerships and now selling it for $66.9k. I might have to take a ride over, pretend to be a prospective buyer, and see if they still have the old shot Pagids/rotors on it
P.S. Thanks for all the help. I used HFS to buy a 991.1 C2S for ~$57k in 2016, tracked/DD'd it for nearly seven years, sold it for a couple grand less than a I paid for it. Even with an engine-out, six-month repair nightmare, it still only "cost" a few thousand/year between repairs, maintenance and depreciation