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Old Jun 8, 2022 | 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Live Steam
How can you make that statement.
Well, I can think of one way he can make it.
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Old Jun 8, 2022 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Live Steam
How can you make that statement. We have no idea what the failure rate is. This forum/site isn't representative of the vast majority of owners, yet we have a good amount reporting failure as well as on forums dedicated to the 718 platform. Again, most Porsche owners do not frequent forums. They simply own a Porsche for daily transportation. However we have seen reported here and in other forums that dealers are receiving numerous cars for this issue. Porsche has a history of not self-reporting in hopes the issue will not become common knowledge. Love their cars, mostly, but not their business practices.
As usual, the answer is already in the thread. Look up to enzotcat's post, the logic behind this was outlined well there.

But hey, we don't know what we don't know, so obviously the failure rate is like 100% right? Totally. Let's get dumb.
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Old Jun 8, 2022 | 08:34 PM
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When I dropped off my gt3 the service advisor knew exactly what my problem was and said they had seen it a lot on Macan the last four weeks. He didn’t specify a number (because I don’t really care) but I suspect the majority of macan owners are not on rennlist.

making any claims as to what the failure rate might be is garbage at this point. No one knows the numerator (except for Porsche) so when I see people throw out random percentage or rate of failure it makes me laugh
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Old Jun 8, 2022 | 08:52 PM
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So, now you gotta be worried that you are going to be stranded somewhere?

Total BS.
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Old Jun 8, 2022 | 09:06 PM
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Check this out. Does this qualify for a recall?

MC-10199818-0001.pdf (nhtsa.gov)


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Old Jun 8, 2022 | 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Porsche_nuts
Check this out. Does this qualify for a recall?

MC-10199818-0001.pdf (nhtsa.gov)
No, that's a TSB. It was discussed earlier in the thread.
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Old Jun 8, 2022 | 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Live Steam
Very odd they can get it running yet it still needs replacement? What would make it brick again? Something isn't adding up here in my estimation. To me, it appears they bypassed it via programming. I'd save the 1700 bucks and go with it as is. JMO of course
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ER Doc 74 - can you provide follow-up? It sounds like your VTS on your Cayenne is the only case of a "repair" vs a replacement?

As I was 1/2 way to the Porsche dealership to drop off the wife to pick up the Cayenne, he texted me that he talked to the tech again and had misunderstood… apparently the tech did not recommend picking up the car and said that he was “able to talk with the module briefly with the tester hooked up to it to get it to start, but did not reccomended picking it up as it could brick again anytime. 😕
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Old Jun 8, 2022 | 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ERDoc74
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As I was 1/2 way to the Porsche dealership to drop off the wife to pick up the Cayenne, he texted me that he talked to the tech again and had misunderstood… apparently the tech did not recommend picking up the car and said that he was “able to talk with the module briefly with the tester hooked up to it to get it to start, but did not reccomended picking it up as it could brick again anytime. 😕
Curious to know what the tech did, i.e. did he reset the VTS module?

I wonder the mechanism permitting it to be reset? is it a software issue? or is a hardware issue that is bypassed.

Thanks for the update @ERDoc74
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Old Jun 8, 2022 | 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by thesaintusa
Curious to know what the tech did, i.e. did he reset the VTS module?

I wonder the mechanism permitting it to be reset? is it a software issue? or is a hardware issue that is bypassed.

Thanks for the update @ERDoc74
if I had to wildly speculate, I'd think that the module is talking normally, just thinking there is theft happening and clamping down. the PIWIS, able to talk to the module, can tell it the special password it needs to hear which would be based on its serial number or something (and a call to central Porsche, because PIWIS), can tell it "nope you're fine, calm down" but there's still the issue of why it faulted in the first place.

but that'd be wild speculation.
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Old Jun 8, 2022 | 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by asellus
As usual, the answer is already in the thread. Look up to enzotcat's post, the logic behind this was outlined well there.

But hey, we don't know what we don't know, so obviously the failure rate is like 100% right? Totally. Let's get dumb.
There's no answer in the thread as the how many or the percentage of effected vehicles and there's no reason to get nasty about it by calling me dumb. This is a **** show and Porsche should be forthcoming about what is going on instead of sending out some bull**** about "upgrading to their newer service" which is obviously connected in some way even tangentially as their system utilizes the same control module. But hey, why not get high earner customers pissed off with silence? That's surely a better business model. Owners do not, I repeat, do not want to get stuck out with this piece of technology leaving them stranded somewhere. That is pretty clear from some of the responses. It's like a ticking time bomb.
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Old Jun 9, 2022 | 12:32 AM
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Yep - asellus gets aggressive and defensive ... is he the same on all topics, or just this one?

Has he noted previously an affiliation with Porsche?
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Old Jun 9, 2022 | 12:49 AM
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"sir, we have found a witch. may we burn her?"

seriously, though, the stranding thing is the thing that bothers me most.

i like going off into the back roads in the desert for drives. i do not want to be out in the heat with spotty cell service and a 100k brick that wont start. (it could potentially be life threatening, the sonoran desert is no joke in the summer)
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Old Jun 9, 2022 | 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by RennListUser01
Yep - asellus gets aggressive and defensive ... is he the same on all topics, or just this one?

Has he noted previously an affiliation with Porsche?
The answer to these questions and more are readily available at your local search function

(the answers are no and no, respectively)
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Old Jun 9, 2022 | 02:40 AM
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Here's my take. There are any number of possible failure points on any modern car which can leave you stranded somewhere. Many of them. I'm not going to worry excessively about one in particular.

Also, the 3G sunset theory has (IMO) already grown even less likely than before. If 3G loss was causing this, EVERY VTS-equipped Porsche in a region where the shutdown has been completed would be dead. Not just a few cars, not 25%, but ALL of them. As a cause, lack of 3G would not disable just a few cars.

For example, we know that @Buddhamonk in or near Portland Oregon has experienced it, and Sunset has told him that several Macans have also failed recently. But what about all the other several hundred or thousands of late model Porsches in Portland? If there's no 3G, shouldn't they all be dead?

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Old Jun 9, 2022 | 09:30 AM
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It will never happen, but if Porsche communicated what they knew about the cause of the failure and the failure rate I think most people would be accepting and less worried. Otherwise, the curse of forums like this is that we just get tidbits and fill in the rest with wild speculation.

I'm being a bit defeatist and feeling like sometimes it's better just not to know. Then when your VTS module (or water pump, or Macan transmission) fails and you take it in, it'll just be one of those one in a million flukes, who could have known? But up until then you'll be happily driving without a worry in the world.
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