Yep, available in all 991s.

I don't see this becoming a sale point. There will be the occasional classified ad where someone tries to pitch some vts nonsense, sure, but the value of a .1 isn't going to appreciably change as a result. Worrying about car value is silly as hell anyways.

 

Ah, opinions! 🤣

We all have them.

 

If this issue becomes more widespread, I can see people asking a seller if the VTS has been dealt with just as they did the IMS. I can also see it being placed in the advert for a car as an assurance for a potential buyer.

 

Correct!

 

Assurance of what? Do we have some indication that a new replacement VTS module is guaranteed to NEVER fail? Somehow I doubt that. The newer one may be updated, but failure at some point is still possible.

 

You just gave me a great idea. I should sell a VTS delete service to these terrified people for some stupid amount of money.

Here's to hoping the VTS module on my car fails so I have an excuse to do that.

 

I'd pay for a VTS delete since it serves no purpose to me and will probably do just that. There's someone I came acrosss that knows how to do this. I will probably go that route for my '18 BGTS since it has CC optioned but not subscribed. I believe my '16 CGTS does not have the VTS module, but need to verify that somehow.

I do find it amazing there are some who have a flippant attitude regarding this issue. Both my cars are no longer under warranty. So I'd be stuck having to foot the bill on a useless piece of technology that only serves Porsche unless I pay to subscribe to their service.

Like most here, I've owned a lot of cars and other vehicles. I tend to keep them well beyond any warranty period. They're my cars and they were purchased thru careful consideration and I get attached to them. I also hate shopping for cars/trucks. I don't buy the next greatest thing just to do so. That being said, I've never felt the need to purchase an aftermarket warranty, but this issue may change that if the delete isn't possible, though I believe it is and has been done. I've never had to have any warranty work on any of my vehicles in the 43 years since purchasing my first new car in '79. I've simply performed normal scheduled maintenance. Having this silly useless thing hanging over my head like the Sword of Damocles is unnecessary.

 

Let us know if VTS delete happens.

I'd do it for peace of mind, especially as it serves no other purpose than to put money in Porsche's pockets.

 

Agreed. I'm not panicked about this, but if it can be deleted without hacking up the car, I'd be on board with that.

 

getting the car back tomorrow. turn around was 1 week waiting for my appointment at porsche. 3 week in the shop to get fixed. most of that was diagnostic and waiting for VTS module to arrive from Germany.

 

Apologies if this has been posted before or if totally irrelevant, but this official looking bulletin on NHTSA.gov says that 'vibration' triggers this issue and it's a software issue not component failure:
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/20...99818-0001.pdf

Only certain versions of the module accept updates, which is why new modules are needed in some cases.This also explains the behavior where you can drive the car from point A to B, stop and turn it off, and then it will fail to start again.

If true, it would be nice if we could just proactively update the software before it fails...?

 

Yep, that's been posted a couple times before! Though I seem to recall the bulletin was originally for 2010 and 2011 model years only. Looks like this one (and, perhaps, the original one) is for the entire 2010-2021 range. Could easily be it.

It'd be great if this has been happening the whole time, and dealerships have just been doing OTA updates as per the bulletin instructions.. but now that they can't do OTA updates, the only course of action is to replace the module. Now instead of a 30 minute dealer visit, it's a 1 month wait, and people are coming to post about it... but given it's happened to a porsche connect subscriber above, that'd be unlikely.

 

Update on my 2017 Cayenne. Dealership let me know the car was fixed yesterday and we picked it up. Apparently they got in a replacement module sooner than expected. They did charge me $1,883. 😣🫤
They stated they did not need to remove the dash.

 

What was the breakdown of the bill?

Part versus labor?

 

A poster on another forum claims he was told by his SA that someone at Porsche "sent out a signal" and it caused this issue. If true, that's a serious issue and charging for this is an even more serious issue. I know if this happens to one of my cars, I'll be looking for answers. If anyone is interested in the post and response to that post, PM me. I don't want to post it here as it may be in violation of the terms of use.