A drive in the Carrera T and GT3 Touring
12-14-2017, 10:03 PM
#46
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In one of the Porsche reveal events, I think it was the LA Auto Show, the Porsche announcer mentioned that the addition of the LWBs meant a weight reduction of 46lbs. That is pretty significant. Is that as compared to the standard 4-ways with back seats? Pete, can you confirm?
12-14-2017, 11:06 PM
#47
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Pete - do the Ts that you're driving on have Rear Axel Steering? What are you thoughts on this and are you able to compare one with and one without it?
12-14-2017, 11:29 PM
#48
In one of the Porsche Press Conferences at the LA Auto Show, the Porsche announcer mentioned that the addition of the LWBs meant a further weight reduction of 45lbs. That is pretty significant. I'm assuming this is as compared to the standard 4-ways plus back seats? Does that make the weight of the car 3,097lbs with the LWBs and MT?
Also from my notes is that the weight Porsche quotes is the minimum achievable with all the right option boxes ticked. So you’ll only hit their headline number on the GT3 with the smaller fuel tank, PCCBs, radio delete, etc. However I’d be interested to see if they confirm or contradict that info. Either way they must be at least slightly off as they quote the same weights worldwide, ignoring differences like DOT regs that do impact the final numbers.
12-14-2017, 11:47 PM
#50
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Interested to see what Pete comes back with, but a couple notes per my previous conversations: First make sure you’re asking the right question. The US gets “Full Buckets Seats” while Europe gets “Light Weight Bucket Seats”, the difference being that we have height adjustment due to DOT regulations. They are heavier than LWB seats, and per my notes on the 981 Spyder save 24 lbs for the pair.
Also from my notes is that the weight Porsche quotes is the minimum achievable with all the right option boxes ticked. So you’ll only hit their headline number on the GT3 with the smaller fuel tank, PCCBs, radio delete, etc. However I’d be interested to see if they confirm or contradict that info. Either way they must be at least slightly off as they quote the same weights worldwide, ignoring differences like DOT regs that do impact the final numbers.
12-15-2017, 12:18 AM
#51
Thanks, and doing my best. These roads are no joke, and the temps aren't either!
I'd say never say never. By that, I'm coming from a few fronts. We all know that the "fuel efficiency" of the turbo engine is a sham on anything other than a test cycle or long freeway trips—but the displacement-based tax issue in China is very real, and we have to recognize that market as a near-equal to North America...at higher profit margins. Also, people within Porsche seem to be very enthused about the 3.0tt—and many of those same people simply smile awkwardly when the noises of the 718 are mentioned.
So why would I say never say never? Well, look at history. We thought powerful engines were dead decades ago, only to see a second golden age of the sports car—and what a golden age it has been so far. And a long one. Then we thought (and were told) the manual gearbox was dead. Executives gleefully declared it. Thankfully, those who like to shift for themselves were able to drown them out. So...what goes around comes around. I think the GT4 and Spyder and GT3 lines will satisfy the urge for now, but I wouldn't write the NA engine off just yet. If anything, I suspect electric cars threaten it more than turbocharged ones do...
I'd say never say never. By that, I'm coming from a few fronts. We all know that the "fuel efficiency" of the turbo engine is a sham on anything other than a test cycle or long freeway trips—but the displacement-based tax issue in China is very real, and we have to recognize that market as a near-equal to North America...at higher profit margins. Also, people within Porsche seem to be very enthused about the 3.0tt—and many of those same people simply smile awkwardly when the noises of the 718 are mentioned.
So why would I say never say never? Well, look at history. We thought powerful engines were dead decades ago, only to see a second golden age of the sports car—and what a golden age it has been so far. And a long one. Then we thought (and were told) the manual gearbox was dead. Executives gleefully declared it. Thankfully, those who like to shift for themselves were able to drown them out. So...what goes around comes around. I think the GT4 and Spyder and GT3 lines will satisfy the urge for now, but I wouldn't write the NA engine off just yet. If anything, I suspect electric cars threaten it more than turbocharged ones do...
12-15-2017, 12:39 AM
#52
Interested to see what Pete comes back with, but a couple notes per my previous conversations: First make sure you’re asking the right question. The US gets “Full Buckets Seats” while Europe gets “Light Weight Bucket Seats”, the difference being that we have height adjustment due to DOT regulations. They are heavier than LWB seats, and per my notes on the 981 Spyder save 24 lbs for the pair.
Also from my notes is that the weight Porsche quotes is the minimum achievable with all the right option boxes ticked. So you’ll only hit their headline number on the GT3 with the smaller fuel tank, PCCBs, radio delete, etc. However I’d be interested to see if they confirm or contradict that info. Either way they must be at least slightly off as they quote the same weights worldwide, ignoring differences like DOT regs that do impact the final numbers.
12-15-2017, 12:44 AM
#53
Another question that perhaps has been answered somewhere else on this forum, but I can't seem to find. Anyone know if the PCCBs are lighter than the standard black brakes? I would imagine the carbon ceramic rotors are lighter, but the black calipers and rotors are puny as compared to the PCCB setup.
12-15-2017, 07:00 AM
#55
Was sent this link to the press information for the GT3T and 911T Monte Carlo event. Thought I’d share as there is a break down on the specs of both cars and a discussion of the historical racing with the lightweights.
https://presskit.porsche.de/specials...rip/index.html
https://presskit.porsche.de/specials...rip/index.html
12-15-2017, 08:21 AM
#56
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Thanks for the Press Kit link above, it shows all of the routes in google maps.
Pete, you are driving some awesome roads. I have been on about half of them.
Enjoy the ride, but too bad it is winter there.
Pete, you are driving some awesome roads. I have been on about half of them.
Enjoy the ride, but too bad it is winter there.
12-15-2017, 08:27 AM
#57
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Thanks Pete. Great stuff as usual.
12-15-2017, 10:16 AM
#58
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12-15-2017, 12:23 PM
#59
I love the new 911T... thanks for the feedback, @stout
I'm also curious if the 911T you drove had the rear axle steering option.....
If I spec'd one, it would be basic as well... minimal options and after the stock brakes go out I'd upgrade the pads or if need be then I'd do Girodiscs or a BBK.
I'm also curious if the 911T you drove had the rear axle steering option.....
If I spec'd one, it would be basic as well... minimal options and after the stock brakes go out I'd upgrade the pads or if need be then I'd do Girodiscs or a BBK.
12-15-2017, 01:43 PM
#60
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If spec a fairly nice but basic GTS at 140, can get a discount most likely to within 10k of T, and have extra hp, more choices/options, and bigger brakes which alleviates need for PCCB. Struggling with decision