wwspeeds

A different perspective...

I am finding this Carrera T increasingly fascinating.

1. I really like that Porsche is making an upgraded model about more than horsepower/torque. it's about the performance bits - the weight, the RWS, the PASM, the gear ratios -- as well as the experience -- the sound and the look.

2. consider this an alternative to the "Black Series", which was truly an end-of-model generation "parts bin special". nothing wrong with the Black Series, but in all honesty, nothing special. just a discounted base carrera with cosmetic bits. This is actually a DIFFERENT 911. which I love. I bet Porsche will consider making a "lightweight" or "touring" package for future 911s across the range - S, GTS. It depends on the response to this Carrera T.

While I hate "bench racing", I would like to address all this concern about inadequate performance from these "base" carreras: C&D got the PDK base C2 0-60 in 3.4 seconds. That is absurd and more performance than almost anyone needs out there. I bet they can get this C2T 0-60 in 3.3 seconds. Just outrageous.

I like it!!!

W

MJG911

I've got a .1S and I've been playing with the configurator all day!

worf928

991.1 and 991.2 Owners

white924s

I for one am excited about the 911 T - looks like it will be a great dual use street/DE car.

It’s a little disappointing that they seem to have cut back on exclusive options (e.g. no PTS, no deviated leather options and limited deviated stitching choices, etc.), but maybe its for the best if it forces buyers to keep the car simple (vs. getting, say, a GTS and adding another $35K in options).

I hope it has the Porsche Track Precision app like the 718 GTS

Argon_

True that this is a very un-Porsche 911, at least by recent standards.

The sound deadening reduction is what makes me downright giddy, finally this company is realizing that a sizable chunk of enthusiasts want a raw sportscar, not just a fast one.

The GT3 was always that car (excluding the brief stint of PDKism), but it was inaccessible to almost everyone. Even those with the money couldn't get one.

This car represents a return to form; it's far from the perfect enthusiast's 911, but it's accessible, the RS-A of our day.

I'll end this off with a quote:

"YOU CAN'T LIE TO THE MOUNTAIN.
You can lie to your friends with facts and figures, spoilers and splitters.
You can lie to the racetrack with absurd power, yards of tire width, and a double-clutch transmission.
But you can't lie to the mountain."

Does anyone besides me know who wrote it?

sticky

Not surprised you can't keep up with your own BS: https://rennlist.com/forums/991/1029...l#post14537868

Just a hilariously idiotic post.

I hear Porsche is considering taking the 4.0 out of the GT3 and replacing it with the 991.1 3.4. Measuring 0-60 with a calendar instead of a stopwatch is just so much more rewarding.

sticky

I agree and am a bit upset as this 911 T is everything I wanted the base to be. Light and no frills.

They address every issue. RWS? Check. Locking mechanical diff? Check. Less sound deadening? Check. Rear seat delete and weight stripped out? Check.

If people think of this in terms of being an accessible 911 R they will start to understand the premise.

Not to mention, with GTS turbos talk about GT3 humbling performance for a fraction of the price.

I'm in love.

white924s

Glad to hear I’m not the only one!

worf928

Too bad rear seat delete is only in conjunction with the sport buckets.

Archimedes

Buy the car with LWBs and I'll give you $10k plus the 4 ways Sport Seats Plus out of my 991 C2S for them. Problem solved. I'll even pay for the labor to do the swap.

evilfij

And if you don’t want to sell LWBs (given the T are no GT3 stripe and can be had in black stitiching with the somewhat generic 911 headrest script they should be appealing to many unlike the ones with other script — crests are obviously the most universal), someone will buy the rear seats to put in a GT3. I might just to show people it can be done (I have neither kids nor short friends). I have metal fab contacts and I am sure the brackets can be made easily and cheaply enough and the rest is nuts and bolts swapping stuff from a rear seat delete car.

worf928

That's a Hell of an offer. One of the things I like about the "T" (in addition to all the performance-enhancing bits) is that for very little money you can get a distinctive interior (i.e. The Carrera T Interior package.) The 4-ways from a non-T won't have the same upholstery.

I too have been playing with the configurator since Noon-ish

evilfij

500 Abarth? You mean the front wheel drive fiat? You want fun, get a 964 or 993 and strip it out or make yourself a long nose hot rod. Or take the average cost of the options on a typical 991 build and buy an Elise (or pay more and get an Exige S).

As an aside, no 991 is ever going to be that level of “fun.” Putting things in perspective about the add lightness of the T, an Elise (or Exige S 260 sport) is under 2000lbs. The only sound deadening is two small pieces of deadening glued under the seats and some foam behind the back plastic panel (I took mine out on my Exige S and you could not hear yourself think over the blower whine 8in behind you). There is no carpet, only two removable floor mats. You can easily pick up the seat with its rails with one hand, only the driver’s adjusts and then only manual front to back. Oh and they have coilovers (adjustable on the track package), LSD option, no nannies other than ABS (traction control was an option but it sucked), no dynamic stability control, 8700rpm redline with the nutso cam changeover at 6k rpm or so on the Elise which had a similar effect to a turbo kicking in on a 930. Keeping it on the second cam without bouncing off the rev limiter required split second precision shifts (which was not that easy being that the cable shifter was barely attached to the floor). Maybe if you stripped a 991 down to the level of the pike’s peak 991.1 turbo or bought a cup car you would get close, but then you are dealing with a unibody car that is large and relatively heavy as opposed to some glued together aluminium chassis ensconced in fiberglass or carbon fiber. The only thing that was remotely stout on the car was the roll bar (thank god!). My lotus were fun. Too much fun. They are also about as safe as a motorcycle and are up there with a 930 as far as widow making.

Everything is a compromise and I think Porsche got that compromise right with the T. It has the good handling stuff from the S (PTV (aka mechanical diff lock), SPASM, available RWS, presumably the slightly numerically lower final drive) a few uber cool things from the R/GT3 (sport chrono no wart, door pulls, LWBs, RSD), adds a little lightness, and eliminates the most obnioxious cosmetic issue of the 991 Carrera — the silver dash and console trim. Pretty much the RL wish list (minus NA and 6MT).

My only gripes are that no PTS/LTS and you have to pay an additional $910 for alcantara steering wheel and shift **** when you spec LWBs. I hate alcantara. I guess Porsche ordered too many steering wheels in alcantara before they figured out the GT3 touring was coming. And no, I won’t be trading my GT3 allocation for one and I would still go with a stripper base in PTS/LTS, but if for nothing else LWBs and RSD (and the lower price compared to an S/GTS with basically the same engine) make it the best bet in the Carrera line up.

96redLT4

918 owners first....better get on the waiting listSeriously I wonder if Porsche factory workers ever get confused what engine/state of tune to install as the chassis rolls by them.

J

A/S

with all the lightweight options, a manual transmission, it is a great Touring car, lighter than a GT3/GT3RS and without the waiting list drama. The base engine has enough torque for fun drives.