Mech33

Just re-watched. It all looks like glossy black stitching to me.

Chris3963

Would it be churlish of me to point out that back in April you were also tossing pitchforks about a wingless GT3...that it was BS, that the likelihood as akin to the occurrence of a crocodile leather dash option, or pink PTS,...

destaccado

Lapis

Churlish

rennlist is great to expand one's daily vocabulary.

superchargedman

Here's the frankfurt unveiling video with an extended commercial:

Whoopsy

And the GT3 Touring also has a small lip at the end of the spoiler that is not present on the 911R.

For sure the GT3 Touring is making more downforce than the 911R. The R is a bit unstable at high speed. The Touring fixed that.



At the end of the day, the 911R is just a beta test car. Porsche test out the 6-speed transmission and the diffuser. They both worked and the wingless 911 just need a slight lip on the spoiler to make it stable again.

superchargedman

Could someone please photoshop the 911R stripes on this bad boy? I'd be interested to contrast the two. Thanks!

ipse dixit

Wrong.

Was not joking.

jlee504

there have to be more GT3 allocations coming, I can't imagine why they would go through the trouble of offering this option and have a very limited production run. the production run has already sold out...those that have spots already spec'd their cars so unless this is to just appease those of us who wish the GT3 was an R it doesn't make any sense.

I mean..thank you Porsche for appeasing me..

Does anyone know how this car is spec'd? I generally don't like chrome trim, but this is such a classic look I may do it..are the wheels standard GT3 wheels or Satin Aluminum?

love2drive

I'll just list my questions:
1.) How much performance do you loose? Touring vs Winged GT3
2.) If it's just a wing delete, why can't the wing be detachable, with the adjustable regular 911 flap swappable? yes, I want both worlds. this way, for an extra cost..we get both.
3.) Why doesn't the touring package say GT3 in the back?
4.) How would a 991.2 GTS manual fair compared to the touring in streets and track?

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squid42

Not for people who want convertibles.

Although I have little doubt that a 991 Speedster is coming.

As for the implementation - the new lip looks better than the 991.2 sportdesign one, but it isn't right. Should have a thing like the 991.1 Aerokit Cup - a duck with something extensible.

Touring colors have not been added. No dark blue, no green, no brown.

jphughan

1. Would be track-dependent. The Touring could theoretically be faster on tracks that had long straightaways since it likely has less drag and therefore possibly a higher top speed (at least with the same transmission) depending on what the limiting factor is. On tracks with lots of high-speed corners, the "regular" GT3 would do better. On tracks that had lots of tight corners and shorter straights where neither downforce nor drag are major factors with road cars, probably no real difference. (Also, "lose", not "loose". )

2. Is this a serious question? If you detached a GT3's wing, you'd have holes in your deck lid, and Porsche probably figured that selling body colored plugs to fill those wouldn't appeal to many owners, to say nothing of the risk of water damage. And from a purely functional standpoint, the front and rear aero also have to be set in harmony to avoid biasing the car too much toward oversteer or understeer, which would make for poor handling and even safety issues, and it may not be possible to offer front aero that's sufficiently adjustable to offset the removal of a wing. The Cayman GT4 has removable front aero bits, but that's only to offset something like a 2-degree change in rear wing attack angle, just for perspective.

3. It does. The plaque on the rear decklid shown even in the photo above clearly says "GT3 Touring". If you're asking why it doesn't have the lettering in the standard place, that probably goes with the whole "understatement" ethos of this offering. The 911R used the same model designation layout, for what it's worth.

4. On track, the GT3 should destroy a GTS if for no other reason than superior suspension and larger, MUCH stickier tires. On the road, it would probably be a lot more driver-dependent, but on the road I suspect the appeal is going to be much more about the steering feel and the scream of an NA engine rather than outright speeds. (Also, "fare", not "fair".)

Bardman

For those going with the silver trim, what colours are you choosing?

I had been secretly planning to go Brewster Green with mine - contrast with silver trim would have been fantastic - but if PTS is not a thing for this car, I am kind of struggling to find a colour that I like that goes with the silver trim.

Candidates that make sense to me are:
- Black / JBM
- Sapphire Blue
- Agate
- Carmine

The thing is, I dont really want any of those colours. Sapphire looks like a cheap colour to me, I have Agate on my GT4 and in sunlight its just not as appealing as in diffuse light, and Carmine has short term appeal but I would get tired of looking at it in the medium to long term. Potentially black, I actually find black a bit of a dull colour, but maybe the silver highlights lift it up enough.

Its a shame, as I think the silver trim on a deep blue or green would be a really refined look - perfect for the wolf in sheeps clothing that this car is.

The other alternative I'm considering is GT silver with the black trim and black wheels, but thats a completely different look and whilst it would be really sharp, is somewhat different from the look I was thinking of.

GrantG

Don't forget that the Touring doesn't have the ram-air intakes that are supposed to add 20hp at top speed (maybe the reason the Touring is 4 kph slower top speed compared to manual with wing, per PetevB)

jphughan

Thanks! I did indeed forget about those, since they're nowhere near as obvious as those on the GT4/RS/Turbo. If I didn't know better I'd say Porsche was deliberately making sure the GT3 will always be faster....