991 GT2RS
04-12-2017, 04:00 PM
#1053
Race Director
Originally Posted by Scrappy1972
What about an Aventador SV? It's a car I originally passed on but continue to think about one. Just not sure that now is the right time considering the relatively high asking prices.
04-12-2017, 04:04 PM
#1054
04-12-2017, 04:18 PM
#1055
Race Director
Originally Posted by Scrappy1972
"Nimble Aventador" is an oxymoron. I was asking more from the perspective of long term value retention as I'd like to add a burly V12 to the stable.
04-12-2017, 04:48 PM
#1058
Rennlist Member
Originally Posted by unotaz
You are absolutely correct in the sense that it's all about supply and demand. Porsche's attempt to limit the supply (eg. 911R) is a clear example of market manipulation and create the "hype". For sure, when the economy is well, everything rises in value, but when the economy goes to the crapper, prices eventually fall. But prices will fall in varying degrees, depending on the market segments you are in.
You need to factor in the difference in price segment and the type of buyers that plays in these different types of markets. For example, the 918 is currently trading at around double it's original MSRP. On a low mileage, PTS Weissach, it's trading at around $1.8 million. Now, that is very close to the original MSRP of a LaFerrari. LaFerrari are now worth anywhere from $4-4.2 million. Do you think people who buy 918/P1 are the same type of buyers who purchase $4-15 million dollar Ferraris? Of course not.
Collectively, people who purchase million dollar plus cars are not in the same financial situation as those who purchase 200K cars, especially those who financed their 200K purchase. So when the economy hits the fan, who do you think will feel need the dump their cars and raise the cash? As such, which segment do you think will fall more when the market isn't doing well? The market for a Mclaren F1 is definitely a lot more stable than the P1 market.
You need to factor in the difference in price segment and the type of buyers that plays in these different types of markets. For example, the 918 is currently trading at around double it's original MSRP. On a low mileage, PTS Weissach, it's trading at around $1.8 million. Now, that is very close to the original MSRP of a LaFerrari. LaFerrari are now worth anywhere from $4-4.2 million. Do you think people who buy 918/P1 are the same type of buyers who purchase $4-15 million dollar Ferraris? Of course not.
Collectively, people who purchase million dollar plus cars are not in the same financial situation as those who purchase 200K cars, especially those who financed their 200K purchase. So when the economy hits the fan, who do you think will feel need the dump their cars and raise the cash? As such, which segment do you think will fall more when the market isn't doing well? The market for a Mclaren F1 is definitely a lot more stable than the P1 market.
It's acceptable/cool to set new highs on a La Ferrari when economy booming or even stable. When things are shaky, the deepest pockets want deals on company's, assets and especially collectible toys.
04-12-2017, 04:58 PM
#1059
Sorry if that came out wrong... I just never considered a V12 Lambo because of it's handling prowess. The Performante is surely a better all round supercar, but it doesn't sound like a V12.
04-12-2017, 04:59 PM
#1060
Originally Posted by Jrtaylor9
They both will fall like a stone when Econ hits the fan. While the DEEP pockets still have plenty of pocket to buy multi-mil toys in a bad recession, even they are in less of a mood to lift offers on collectible toys. Everyone wants a deal when the Econ goes south. And all it takes is one mult-mil car to set the market. And I promise you there are lots of multi-mil cars in the hands of dudes that are crazy levered; not the majority but more than there should be.
It's acceptable/cool to set new highs on a La Ferrari when economy booming or even stable. When things are shaky, the deepest pockets want deals on company's, assets and especially collectible toys.
It's acceptable/cool to set new highs on a La Ferrari when economy booming or even stable. When things are shaky, the deepest pockets want deals on company's, assets and especially collectible toys.
When the wind is blowing you tie down your boat even stronger.
There will always be good times to buy toys. Just need to have cash when it happens. There will have a new 2009-2011 coming up. That's when it's time to buy.
Right now people are fighting to buy stuff. I watch from sideline.
04-12-2017, 05:05 PM
#1061
Race Director
Originally Posted by Scrappy1972
Sorry if that came out wrong... I just never considered a V12 Lambo because of it's handling prowess. The Performante is surely a better all round supercar, but it doesn't sound like a V12.
04-12-2017, 05:14 PM
#1062
They both will fall like a stone when Econ hits the fan. While the DEEP pockets still have plenty of pocket to buy multi-mil toys in a bad recession, even they are in less of a mood to lift offers on collectible toys. Everyone wants a deal when the Econ goes south. And all it takes is one mult-mil car to set the market. And I promise you there are lots of multi-mil cars in the hands of dudes that are crazy levered; not the majority but more than there should be.
It's acceptable/cool to set new highs on a La Ferrari when economy booming or even stable. When things are shaky, the deepest pockets want deals on company's, assets and especially collectible toys.
It's acceptable/cool to set new highs on a La Ferrari when economy booming or even stable. When things are shaky, the deepest pockets want deals on company's, assets and especially collectible toys.
04-12-2017, 05:30 PM
#1064
04-13-2017, 01:17 AM
#1065
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
We're going to take the off anyway ;-)
They can keep the mufflers..
I noticed that!
Just wondering what the air intakes in the frunk are for still and if they will step up suspension to make the shocks more active like the TPC DSC/PASM module..
They can keep the mufflers..
I noticed that!
Just wondering what the air intakes in the frunk are for still and if they will step up suspension to make the shocks more active like the TPC DSC/PASM module..