991 GT2RS
04-03-2017, 12:24 PM
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04-03-2017, 11:35 PM
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My dealer is getting me .2GT3 but said GT2RS going to be difficult. I have better chance at .2GT3RS coming. He saying GT2RS limited run and all VIP's want an allocation. just $.02 I am being told.
04-03-2017, 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Apolo1
Think I am right in saying that the CCBDs on the 997GT2RS and 997,4.0RS held the world recorded for braking performance. That stood until the 918 came out.
With race cars you can obviously adjust the F/R bias but it would be great to see that tech in a street car. Of course 90% of the people would **** it up but that's what we want isn't it? Something EXTRA!!
Porsche does a fantastic job with brakes.
04-03-2017, 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by isv
The P1 I believe. The akebono rotors seem to be continuous cf fibre rotors like surface transforms who make the movit rotors. The akebono P1 pads are staggeringly expensive though afaik.
Koenigsegg are using ST rotors as well I think. And probably the Aston Red Bull car will as ST are supposed to be involved with that.
Koenigsegg are using ST rotors as well I think. And probably the Aston Red Bull car will as ST are supposed to be involved with that.
04-04-2017, 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Drifting
true the 2829 is a dry weight for the 720S, and you make a good point with the Lotus, as in many ways Lotus is the only true lightweight street legal sports car out there. However, Lotus cars are also rather underpowered. I don't really consider a car to be a sports car if it doesn't have at least 350hp.
I guess my concern is that you called the Mclaren "heavy" in a thread on the GT2RS, while we're comparing the GT2RS to the 488 and 720S, so by definition we are talking about cars with >650 horsepower. Engines that produce that much horsepower are always much heavier than the tiny engines in a Lotus. It's apples and oranges.
Not really fair to compare a 720S to a Lotus and then call the Mclaren heavy, when most Lotus cars have less than half the horsepower of the 720S. If you can put an engine producing over 650hp in a Lotus and still have a Lotus weighing less than 3000lbs, then you can start calling the Mclarens heavy.
I guess my concern is that you called the Mclaren "heavy" in a thread on the GT2RS, while we're comparing the GT2RS to the 488 and 720S, so by definition we are talking about cars with >650 horsepower. Engines that produce that much horsepower are always much heavier than the tiny engines in a Lotus. It's apples and oranges.
Not really fair to compare a 720S to a Lotus and then call the Mclaren heavy, when most Lotus cars have less than half the horsepower of the 720S. If you can put an engine producing over 650hp in a Lotus and still have a Lotus weighing less than 3000lbs, then you can start calling the Mclarens heavy.
So let's clarify to the world that anything weighing less than 3050lbs is considered "lightweight" by today's standards.
Like a credit score, I put cars in multiple tiers of fatness or featherweight.
Invisible: sub 2000 (LMP1, BAC mono, Formula cars)
Tier 1 light: Sub 2750 lbs (miata, exige, race cars)
Tier 2 light: sub 3050 (911R barely, GT4, 675LT, race cars)
Tier 3 light: 3051- 3300 ( GT3, RS, NASCAR)
Tier 4 light: 3301- 3599 (most 991, Viper ACR, z06 )
Tier 5 light: 3600-3850 (skyline nismo)
Fatty: 3851+ (aventador, skyline)
04-04-2017, 02:25 AM
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The visual picture of a 700HP lotus and the subsequent explosions that follow made me chuckle.
So let's clarify to the world that anything weighing less than 3050lbs is considered "lightweight" by today's standards.
Like a credit score, I put cars in multiple tiers of fatness or featherweight.
Invisible: sub 2000 (LMP1, BAC mono, Formula cars)
Tier 1 light: Sub 2750 lbs (miata, exige, race cars)
Tier 2 light: sub 3050 (911R barely, GT4, 675LT, race cars)
Tier 3 light: 3051- 3300 ( GT3, RS, NASCAR)
Tier 4 light: 3301- 3599 (most 991, Viper ACR, z06 )
Tier 5 light: 3600-3850 (skyline nismo)
Fatty: 3851+ (aventador, skyline)
So let's clarify to the world that anything weighing less than 3050lbs is considered "lightweight" by today's standards.
Like a credit score, I put cars in multiple tiers of fatness or featherweight.
Invisible: sub 2000 (LMP1, BAC mono, Formula cars)
Tier 1 light: Sub 2750 lbs (miata, exige, race cars)
Tier 2 light: sub 3050 (911R barely, GT4, 675LT, race cars)
Tier 3 light: 3051- 3300 ( GT3, RS, NASCAR)
Tier 4 light: 3301- 3599 (most 991, Viper ACR, z06 )
Tier 5 light: 3600-3850 (skyline nismo)
Fatty: 3851+ (aventador, skyline)
In more simple terms I agree that under 3050 lbs is a good definition of a modern lightweight sports car, but I would also define any sports car over 3550 lbs as a fatty. So the GT-R, aventador, 911 Turbo, M3, Z28, Zl1, GT350, R8, AMG GTR all fall into the fatty category of sports cars.
It seems this middle ground of not truly lightweight, but also not a fat overweight sports car is mainly occupied by various 911s that aren't capital Turbos, 488, Huracan, regular corvettes, and the Viper ACR. Any sports car I'm forgetting for this middle group?
Last edited by Drifting; 04-04-2017 at 03:17 AM.
04-04-2017, 02:50 AM
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Looks like all the Huracans make the cut, but none of the aventadors. I edited my list.
04-04-2017, 03:07 AM
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Speaking of huracans, do you believe the reported Ring time of the huracan performante?
They did some cool tricks with aero and lightened the car, but I have a hard time believing they beat the Ring time of the 918.
They did some cool tricks with aero and lightened the car, but I have a hard time believing they beat the Ring time of the 918.
04-04-2017, 03:41 AM
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Good list CJ.
In more simple terms I agree that under 3050 lbs is a good definition of a modern lightweight sports car, but I would also define any sports car over 3550 lbs as a fatty. So the GT-R, aventador, 911 Turbo, M3, Z28, Zl1, GT350, R8, AMG GTR all fall into the fatty category of sports cars.
It seems this middle ground of not truly lightweight, but also not a fat overweight sports car is mainly occupied by various 911s that aren't capital Turbos, 488, Huracan, regular corvettes, and the Viper ACR. Any sports car I'm forgetting for this middle group?
In more simple terms I agree that under 3050 lbs is a good definition of a modern lightweight sports car, but I would also define any sports car over 3550 lbs as a fatty. So the GT-R, aventador, 911 Turbo, M3, Z28, Zl1, GT350, R8, AMG GTR all fall into the fatty category of sports cars.
It seems this middle ground of not truly lightweight, but also not a fat overweight sports car is mainly occupied by various 911s that aren't capital Turbos, 488, Huracan, regular corvettes, and the Viper ACR. Any sports car I'm forgetting for this middle group?
04-04-2017, 03:52 AM
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Agree on the weight and carbon tub. That's what they need to do for the GT2RS, as that would make the GT2RS worth 300K and truly a lightweight supercar.
I'm worried the GT2RS, will just be a Turbo S that lost 125lbs and had the boost turned up. (lost 15lbs with RS roof and body panels, 110lbs by removing the front wheel drive)