Originally Posted by Drifting

Thats really my point. If Porsche is going to charge 300K for this car, I think it should be really special, not just a Turbo S with front wheel drive removed and the boost turned up 8%.

Originally Posted by ****

I always see GT3s when I go to the track but haven't seen a Ferrari here (CO) on it yet and the only McLaren I saw was a 675 LT that was getting passed by Miatas.

Originally Posted by Drifting

Weird that Mclaren hasn't addressed at least the quality of the brake discs for reliability. Compared to Porsches the macs do have problems modulating the brakes for car control at speed on the track, although to be fair, the brakes are much better in the 650 than in the MP4. I haven't personally driven a 675LT.

Porsche brakes are a step above, although lots of GT owners still go aftermarket for improved durability of their brake pads and rotors, which I assume the Mac owners could do as well.

Also wonder why mclaren refuses to put a rear diff on their cars. Now that Unotaz brought it up, I remember Evo complaining that the lack of the rear diff was one of their biggest annoyances with the 650 and LT, and that Mclarens work around with the brakes wasn't as good as just including a differential on this 300K car.

Originally Posted by Drifting

LOL, I love that story about the 675 LT owner getting passed by miatas, kind reminds of the rich guys you see in Colorado on $13,000 mountain bikes getting passed all the time by the guys on $1,300 bikes.

Does your purple RS really get that much less attention than a Ferrari?

Originally Posted by CAlexio

I actually asked this very question 2 weeks ago to a mclaren chief shop/tech manager at a mclaren dinner. Answer was that this was f1 technology trickledown which is a mclaren hallmark, and also that they save weight and have more precise control with this inside-rear tire braking tech. I can only add that 675LT brakes feel "wooden" in light applications, whereas the pccb feel more natural. Brakes might be one of few items I wasn't in love with on the mclarens, but they definitely seemed up to the job even on P1.

Originally Posted by ****

Not even kidding on the LT getting smoked by Miata.

My UV gets 1/10th on the attention my Rossa Corsa 458 did. It was miserable. I'm very excited about GT2 RS and hope to put one next to the Grape Ape.

Originally Posted by unotaz

Right....

I have been buying F-cars for a long time and I know all the dealer principals in SoCal/NorCal area. Giacomo is a good friend. You are saying you know guys who bought a 458 as their first Ferrari and then a few years later got a Speciale at sticker without buying any additional cars from the same Ferrari dealer during that time? If these cars were sold brand new at sticker, I find that highly unlikely.

There were only around 600 Speciale in the US during the two year production and trust me, only customers who bought "several" cars from the dealer got them at sticker brand new. When I say several cars, it doesn't need to be Ferrari cars only, it could other makes or models, but nevertheless bought from the same Ferrari dealership.

Originally Posted by RSRRacer

I did exactly this. First Ferrari ever was a brand new 14 458. Second Ferrari ever was a brand new 458 S. both at sticker. Both configured by me.

If you want to know anything else about the Ferrari or Porsche brand let me know, I'm only a redneck from NC but I'll try.

Originally Posted by Drifting

Thanks RSR.

This was my point. California is a different universe for buying new Ferraris, or new Porsche GT cars. It's much more expensive and painful to try to buy either in California and the dealers pull things on you that they can't get away with in the rest of the country.

Originally Posted by RSRRacer

I did exactly this. First Ferrari ever was a brand new 14 458. Second Ferrari ever was a brand new 458 S. both at sticker. Both configured by me.

If you want to know anything else about the Ferrari or Porsche brand let me know, I'm only a redneck from NC but I'll try.

Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3

Don't mind Unotaz, he thinks that things work the same way everywhere as they do in CA. I don't even want to know how many garage spots a home in NC would have for $1m.

Originally Posted by Drifting

That's disappointing, considering the 720S has 710hp and the expected 488 refresh (speciale) is supposed to have 700-710hp.

Shame that Porsche's top 911, which is expected to be similarly priced to the 488 and 720S, will be lagging both those cars horsepower before it's even produced.
These days, particularly in the the forced induction world, Porsche can't continue with their measly 5% power increases, and stay competitive.

I know a lot of you guys on this thread are considering a GT2RS, but depreciation aside, I'm not sure why someone would buy a GT2RS over a McLaren 720s? The 720S will smoke a GT2RS on the track as it has more power and is much lighter, Mclaren is likely more comfortable driving on the road while still great on the track with the adjustable suspension, and both cars are RWD turbos with DCT transmissions.

If depreciation is your primary concern, then you can buy the 488 now or 488 speciale the following year, which is likely to hold its value well and will have more horsepower than the GT2RS.

Different situation these days compared to previous years when the GT2RS was a unique animal, with its raw nature and manual gearbox, and when high-powered turbo sports cars weren't so prevalent.
I understand why people bought GT2/RSs at that time, but I'm not sure why you buy a GT2RS next year, given the competition at the same price, as all three cars are RWD, turbo, and DCT, and I don't think the GT2RS will be as raw in a 991 wheelbase/chassis.

I'm not trying to rain on anyones parade. Please help me understand if I'm missing something.

Originally Posted by Drifting

I'm saying that California is a unique market for any high end sports car, compared to the rest of the country. You may be well versed in buying a new Ferrari in California, but in the rest of the country it's much easier to get a mid-cycle speciale type car than it is in California. I've been looking at Ferraris for years before moving to SoCal last year, so I know the market outside of this state, but I concede that you have much more experience than I do buying Ferraris in California.

So getting back to my original point, directed to all posters on this forum-

You have to buy a few Porsches to get a GT2RS or a few Ferraris to get a Speciale. As the MSRP on both cars is expected to be similar, and there are lots of people who own both Porsches and Ferraris, I'm not sure why in this era someone chooses a GT2RS over a 488 Speciale?
Or to get away from arguing about Ferrari allocations, why does someone choose a GT2RS over a 488, which will likely be almost exactly the same power, similar price, also turbo, RWD, DCT, also hold its value well, still rare, and arguably more attractive than the GT2RS, with similar performance?

Originally Posted by Footsoldier

One thing that's been heard consistently by a number of people, and confirmed by dealers who know, is that the 2RS is going to cost more than 2x the price of a .2GT3; up to €300,000.