OT:911R
03-03-2016, 08:36 PM
#2041
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03-03-2016, 08:40 PM
#2042
Little different with the 4.0 situation. The 3.8 had already satisfied most of the demand.
The R is a car a lot of people have been waiting for.
Would have been better to bring out a 991.2gt3 with MT as option and then offer the R as a last of.
Hopefully we will get an R with a wing in the next gen gt3.
The R is a car a lot of people have been waiting for.
Would have been better to bring out a 991.2gt3 with MT as option and then offer the R as a last of.
Hopefully we will get an R with a wing in the next gen gt3.
03-03-2016, 08:43 PM
#2043
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Yes, I agree - I think the 918 program is making for a lot of issues for PCNA and this is the first real exhibit of it due to the small reported numbers of the R. On the other hand, many of the 918 guys were good customers before the VIP program, but many are also new customers to the brand, for sure. It has certainly upset the apple cart, as they say.
03-03-2016, 09:12 PM
#2044
Henry, I have asked but no one seems to have Canadian numbers yet. Based on the US experience, these will be scarce here. As a non-918 customer, the chances of getting an allocation for myself based simply on putting an early deposit down are near zero I would think. Even from the largest dealerships in the country. (Maybe if you're #1 on the list in a very large Canadian dealership, but even then I'm doubtful.)
Footsoldier, I understand your disappointment. It's quite frustrating to have such disparate policies across different markets. Almost reminds me of the way PCGB differed from PCNA in how Cat A 991 GT3 owners were compensated during the stop sale. That lead to quite a ground swell of support amongst fellow owners that resulted in some benefit to UK customers. I'm not sure this is an analogous situation, but at the very least I would hope your dealer would feel some sense of obligation to try and help you get a highly desirable car next time around. And we all know this won't be the last. It might still be worth maintaining good relations with them. (BTW I absolutely love your arrow blue 918!! It is just outstanding and I hope you feel free to post photos of your car here any time!!)
Footsoldier, I understand your disappointment. It's quite frustrating to have such disparate policies across different markets. Almost reminds me of the way PCGB differed from PCNA in how Cat A 991 GT3 owners were compensated during the stop sale. That lead to quite a ground swell of support amongst fellow owners that resulted in some benefit to UK customers. I'm not sure this is an analogous situation, but at the very least I would hope your dealer would feel some sense of obligation to try and help you get a highly desirable car next time around. And we all know this won't be the last. It might still be worth maintaining good relations with them. (BTW I absolutely love your arrow blue 918!! It is just outstanding and I hope you feel free to post photos of your car here any time!!)
03-03-2016, 09:35 PM
#2046
Dear Father, I come to you because I have sinned in my mind.
I am embarrassed at my own sense of schadenfreude in reading Footsoldier's post, truly I am. For some reason, i feel better having read his words.. I rejoice in his misery. I'm overcome by a very populist "even the elites must feel our pain" sort of way. I repeat, I'm not proud of this, and I admit my sinful thoughts to you father, and to the Rennlist anonymous people's internet forum jury of not so equals.. but something about a PTS 918 owner not getting this car makes me feel less un-important. I will say 10 hail mary's as you recommend father
All catholic-ish confessions aside.. I try not to comment too much on this thread but I do think it bears repeating my previous post on this subject (of course i would think that) that this is a "dipping a toe in the water" moment for Porsche. They sell their high profit margin 911R to their very very loyal customers, a zero-risk experiment for them in recreating the high revving NA manual 911... they cunningly create this as a 991.1 body style even though the 991.2 is already out.. a perfect artificial marketing segmentation.
They then evaluate the level of angst amongst the plebes, as a gauge of potential volume for a 991.2 production run. My hope is that all these 136+ pages as well as many others in forums around the world, help to confirm their decision to recommence production of more manual gt3's in the future. Me must Keep at it.. we must keep venting the fury of the people... us, the poor unwashed mini-millionaires that we are. While we may not possess those multi-car 8-figure garages with multi-car collections of uber-rare machinery, we just wish for a humble, 500hp 4.0 single plate rattly clutch close ratio 6-speed manual rear-engined 911 beast of honest driving goodness... is that too much to ask?.
I am confident that even we, the top 1% but not quite the .01% will get our last dieing wish, we will get what we desire soon... the NA high revving manual 911 is not dead yet. Now give us our cake damn it.
I am embarrassed at my own sense of schadenfreude in reading Footsoldier's post, truly I am. For some reason, i feel better having read his words.. I rejoice in his misery. I'm overcome by a very populist "even the elites must feel our pain" sort of way. I repeat, I'm not proud of this, and I admit my sinful thoughts to you father, and to the Rennlist anonymous people's internet forum jury of not so equals.. but something about a PTS 918 owner not getting this car makes me feel less un-important. I will say 10 hail mary's as you recommend father
All catholic-ish confessions aside.. I try not to comment too much on this thread but I do think it bears repeating my previous post on this subject (of course i would think that) that this is a "dipping a toe in the water" moment for Porsche. They sell their high profit margin 911R to their very very loyal customers, a zero-risk experiment for them in recreating the high revving NA manual 911... they cunningly create this as a 991.1 body style even though the 991.2 is already out.. a perfect artificial marketing segmentation.
They then evaluate the level of angst amongst the plebes, as a gauge of potential volume for a 991.2 production run. My hope is that all these 136+ pages as well as many others in forums around the world, help to confirm their decision to recommence production of more manual gt3's in the future. Me must Keep at it.. we must keep venting the fury of the people... us, the poor unwashed mini-millionaires that we are. While we may not possess those multi-car 8-figure garages with multi-car collections of uber-rare machinery, we just wish for a humble, 500hp 4.0 single plate rattly clutch close ratio 6-speed manual rear-engined 911 beast of honest driving goodness... is that too much to ask?.
I am confident that even we, the top 1% but not quite the .01% will get our last dieing wish, we will get what we desire soon... the NA high revving manual 911 is not dead yet. Now give us our cake damn it.
03-03-2016, 09:53 PM
#2047
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I'm trying to follow this. Hundreds of posts condemning the VIP program. Then, when a 918 owner, a VIP but not part of the"VIP program" can't get an R, people are still condemning Porsche.
I have no skin in the game (I don't plan to spend >200k on a car), but I can't believe how many people are against preferential treatment for the 918 buyers. I suspect that the majority of the .01%'s on this board have benefitted from the preferential treatment directed toward the wealthy. The saying "the rich get richer" didn't come from nowhere. Why do the enormously wealthy get the corporate best rates at the Four Seasons? Why do others get upgrades to First Class on planes. Money talks. It's capitalism. In my opinion, you can't have it both ways. Certain individuals are used to being treated like royalty and then complain when others are treated more royally. Personally, I think that Footsoldier has every right to be pissed.
I have no skin in the game (I don't plan to spend >200k on a car), but I can't believe how many people are against preferential treatment for the 918 buyers. I suspect that the majority of the .01%'s on this board have benefitted from the preferential treatment directed toward the wealthy. The saying "the rich get richer" didn't come from nowhere. Why do the enormously wealthy get the corporate best rates at the Four Seasons? Why do others get upgrades to First Class on planes. Money talks. It's capitalism. In my opinion, you can't have it both ways. Certain individuals are used to being treated like royalty and then complain when others are treated more royally. Personally, I think that Footsoldier has every right to be pissed.
03-03-2016, 10:38 PM
#2048
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I'm trying to follow this. Hundreds of posts condemning the VIP program. Then, when a 918 owner, a VIP but not part of the"VIP program" can't get an R, people are still condemning Porsche.
I have no skin in the game (I don't plan to spend >200k on a car), but I can't believe how many people are against preferential treatment for the 918 buyers. I suspect that the majority of the .01%'s on this board have benefitted from the preferential treatment directed toward the wealthy. The saying "the rich get richer" didn't come from nowhere. Why do the enormously wealthy get the corporate best rates at the Four Seasons? Why do others get upgrades to First Class on planes. Money talks. It's capitalism. In my opinion, you can't have it both ways. Certain individuals are used to being treated like royalty and then complain when others are treated more royally. Personally, I think that Footsoldier has every right to be pissed.
I have no skin in the game (I don't plan to spend >200k on a car), but I can't believe how many people are against preferential treatment for the 918 buyers. I suspect that the majority of the .01%'s on this board have benefitted from the preferential treatment directed toward the wealthy. The saying "the rich get richer" didn't come from nowhere. Why do the enormously wealthy get the corporate best rates at the Four Seasons? Why do others get upgrades to First Class on planes. Money talks. It's capitalism. In my opinion, you can't have it both ways. Certain individuals are used to being treated like royalty and then complain when others are treated more royally. Personally, I think that Footsoldier has every right to be pissed.
Nobody gets pissed about the PCA limited cars. Nobody gets pissed about the 918 package 991 car offered to buyers. But making the best Porsche enthusiast cars subject to a Ferrari-style sales process and allowing (some) brand new customers to jump to the head of the line by virtue of a single purchase that's probably less money in aggregate than many of the complainers? Yeah - longtime customers that have supported the brand are ticked.
03-03-2016, 11:29 PM
#2049
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Originally Posted by TheGeezer
Last comment I'll make on the subject. Anyway, IMHO it's a combination of the VIP program seemingly arbitrarily hosing longtime brand devotees combined with the perception that Porsche is (finally) building some models longtime brand devotees have been howling for (mid-engined 3.8 car, GT-style car with stick) while at the same time making a conscious choice not to produce enough for anyone but the VIP customers.
Nobody gets pissed about the PCA limited cars. Nobody gets pissed about the 918 package 991 car offered to buyers. But making the best Porsche enthusiast cars subject to a Ferrari-style sales process and allowing (some) brand new customers to jump to the head of the line by virtue of a single purchase that's probably less money in aggregate than many of the complainers? Yeah - longtime customers that have supported the brand are ticked.
Nobody gets pissed about the PCA limited cars. Nobody gets pissed about the 918 package 991 car offered to buyers. But making the best Porsche enthusiast cars subject to a Ferrari-style sales process and allowing (some) brand new customers to jump to the head of the line by virtue of a single purchase that's probably less money in aggregate than many of the complainers? Yeah - longtime customers that have supported the brand are ticked.
That said, Porsche has made its bed and now has to lay in it. Either it will be a good decision to produce limited numbers or it won't. We all have the ability to vote in the future with our pocketbooks.
03-04-2016, 12:22 AM
#2052
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My march surprise is still incoming.
May surprise will be a doozy.
I will have surprises to follow in june or july.
More surprises for everyone.
Some are carbon fiber, some are flat. Some have turbos, some have stripes. Some have roofs.
My march surprise is still incoming.
May surprise will be a doozy.
I will have surprises to follow in june or july.
More surprises for everyone.
Some are carbon fiber, some are flat. Some have turbos, some have stripes. Some have roofs.
03-04-2016, 12:30 AM
#2054
this 918 bashing is seriously starting to smell like socialism: From each according to his ability to secure an 911R allocation, to each according to his needs for 911R
03-04-2016, 02:32 AM
#2055
This thread is starting to bring out some of our darker sides. It's sad to hear that contributors to our discussions have left or are considering leaving because of insensitive and hurtful outbursts. And I'm somewhat embarrassed to read a few of the comments that have been posted.
In my short experience with Porsche and RL, I have already met many wonderful people, including those I now call friends, some of whom are 918 owners (gasp!!). I can honestly say these 918 owners are die-hard enthusiasts who care as much about the brand, the cars, and the driver's experience as any of the great hard-core track guys, life long customers, collectors, and other devotees and fans whom I've also been fortunate to meet, but who might not own a 918.
I feel very lucky to have a GT3. In fact, I think owning any Porsche is a huge privilege. I do not consider it a slight to me in any way, shape, or form, if I am not able to get an allocation for a 911R from PAG / PCNA / Porsche Cars Canada Ltd / (name your regional distributor here). Just like I couldn't get an allocation for an RS. Or a GT4. There will always be something beyond my reach. And I'm ok with that.
In my short experience with Porsche and RL, I have already met many wonderful people, including those I now call friends, some of whom are 918 owners (gasp!!). I can honestly say these 918 owners are die-hard enthusiasts who care as much about the brand, the cars, and the driver's experience as any of the great hard-core track guys, life long customers, collectors, and other devotees and fans whom I've also been fortunate to meet, but who might not own a 918.
I feel very lucky to have a GT3. In fact, I think owning any Porsche is a huge privilege. I do not consider it a slight to me in any way, shape, or form, if I am not able to get an allocation for a 911R from PAG / PCNA / Porsche Cars Canada Ltd / (name your regional distributor here). Just like I couldn't get an allocation for an RS. Or a GT4. There will always be something beyond my reach. And I'm ok with that.