OT:911R
11-12-2015, 07:20 PM
#541
Drifting
11-12-2015, 07:47 PM
#542
Nordschleife Master
Disclaimer: Just passing info along and nothing really new 
Just conjecture but just got off the phone with my "cleaning lady" he said, he had just received 1 new .1 RS allocation he wasn't expecting to get today. There is your so called "last batch" of RS's. I guess they are being sprinkled around the country. So no "earned" reason they got it, just their piece of the allocated pie. I pushed him on 911R and he said the car is definitely being made and he has two on "on order" for two of his 918 guys but has heard NOTHING on the car from PAG. No spec, build info, quantities. Nothing. I asked again about quantities and he said his gut is 911 pieces to mimic the nomenclature as in the past on this type of car. His opinion was the car was not the "unicorn" we all wanted since it's still a "large" car (built on the 991 chassis) and that it will be rare only in it's build quantity as we all have kind of already noted. I asked if they were sold out? He said no way are they already spoken for. I do find it interesting we have people making very black and white statements on this car but we have the sales person for 4 918 buyers who know nothing about the car? Hmmm... As far as .2 RS and GT3 goes he said they are definitely building them and that they would be nuts not to regardless of the VW issue. Too much profit in them he said. Porsche is a fickle and unpredictable company and even after all of the years he has been selling them they still seldom follow a build pattern but that he feels as in the past .2 GT3 and RS production will follow the new Gen 911's, GT2's etc. and to look for next Fall. Which I think has been said many times. Lastly, there is a meeting he is attending in Atlanta in December at the Experience Center that will be training specifically for car customization and PTS and that he would have more info then.. Remember, NO MESSENGER SHOOTING 
Just conjecture but just got off the phone with my "cleaning lady" he said, he had just received 1 new .1 RS allocation he wasn't expecting to get today. There is your so called "last batch" of RS's. I guess they are being sprinkled around the country. So no "earned" reason they got it, just their piece of the allocated pie. I pushed him on 911R and he said the car is definitely being made and he has two on "on order" for two of his 918 guys but has heard NOTHING on the car from PAG. No spec, build info, quantities. Nothing. I asked again about quantities and he said his gut is 911 pieces to mimic the nomenclature as in the past on this type of car. His opinion was the car was not the "unicorn" we all wanted since it's still a "large" car (built on the 991 chassis) and that it will be rare only in it's build quantity as we all have kind of already noted. I asked if they were sold out? He said no way are they already spoken for. I do find it interesting we have people making very black and white statements on this car but we have the sales person for 4 918 buyers who know nothing about the car? Hmmm... As far as .2 RS and GT3 goes he said they are definitely building them and that they would be nuts not to regardless of the VW issue. Too much profit in them he said. Porsche is a fickle and unpredictable company and even after all of the years he has been selling them they still seldom follow a build pattern but that he feels as in the past .2 GT3 and RS production will follow the new Gen 911's, GT2's etc. and to look for next Fall. Which I think has been said many times. Lastly, there is a meeting he is attending in Atlanta in December at the Experience Center that will be training specifically for car customization and PTS and that he would have more info then.. Remember, NO MESSENGER SHOOTING 
11-12-2015, 07:53 PM
#543
I sorry if I'm missing something , it's been a long day
But it won't be cheaper...
It will be more expensive and slower. With the same go fast stuff we love to hate RWS, CL, not race proven engine...
Build 5000 drop the price, make it the lightest Porsche for sale. Rip out whatever it takes. Manual, CS package in a box, side muffler delete on the same box with a big *** sticker "illigal for road use" no leather no Alcantara, no flipper / resale value, one color only, no options. Just copy 5000 of them, start a race series a la GT4CUP and presto. Porsche lives up to its reputation instead of living OF it.
It will be more expensive and slower. With the same go fast stuff we love to hate RWS, CL, not race proven engine...
Build 5000 drop the price, make it the lightest Porsche for sale. Rip out whatever it takes. Manual, CS package in a box, side muffler delete on the same box with a big *** sticker "illigal for road use" no leather no Alcantara, no flipper / resale value, one color only, no options. Just copy 5000 of them, start a race series a la GT4CUP and presto. Porsche lives up to its reputation instead of living OF it.
Sorry I have no information on American rs allocations .
Disclaimer: Just passing info along and nothing really new
Just conjecture but just got off the phone with my "cleaning lady" he said, he had just received 1 new .1 RS allocation he wasn't expecting to get today. There is your so called "last batch" of RS's. I guess they are being sprinkled around the country. So no "earned" reason they got it, just their piece of the allocated pie.
I pushed him on 911R and he said the car is definitely being made and he has two on "on order" for two of his 918 guys but has heard NOTHING on the car from PAG. No spec, build info, quantities. Nothing. I asked again about quantities and he said his gut is 911 pieces to mimic the nomenclature as in the past on this type of car. His opinion was the car was not the "unicorn" we all wanted since it's still a "large" car (built on the 991 chassis) and that it will be rare only in it's build quantity as we all have kind of already noted. I asked if they were sold out? He said no way are they already spoken for. I do find it interesting we have people making very black and white statements on this car but we have the sales person for 4 918 buyers who know nothing about the car? Hmmm...
As far as .2 RS and GT3 goes he said they are definitely building them and that they would be nuts not to regardless of the VW issue. Too much profit in them he said. Porsche is a fickle and unpredictable company and even after all of the years he has been selling them they still seldom follow a build pattern but that he feels as in the past .2 GT3 and RS production will follow the new Gen 911's, GT2's etc. and to look for next Fall. Which I think has been said many times.
Lastly, there is a meeting he is attending in Atlanta in December at the Experience Center that will be training specifically for car customization and PTS and that he would have more info then..
Remember, NO MESSENGER SHOOTING
Just conjecture but just got off the phone with my "cleaning lady" he said, he had just received 1 new .1 RS allocation he wasn't expecting to get today. There is your so called "last batch" of RS's. I guess they are being sprinkled around the country. So no "earned" reason they got it, just their piece of the allocated pie.
I pushed him on 911R and he said the car is definitely being made and he has two on "on order" for two of his 918 guys but has heard NOTHING on the car from PAG. No spec, build info, quantities. Nothing. I asked again about quantities and he said his gut is 911 pieces to mimic the nomenclature as in the past on this type of car. His opinion was the car was not the "unicorn" we all wanted since it's still a "large" car (built on the 991 chassis) and that it will be rare only in it's build quantity as we all have kind of already noted. I asked if they were sold out? He said no way are they already spoken for. I do find it interesting we have people making very black and white statements on this car but we have the sales person for 4 918 buyers who know nothing about the car? Hmmm...
As far as .2 RS and GT3 goes he said they are definitely building them and that they would be nuts not to regardless of the VW issue. Too much profit in them he said. Porsche is a fickle and unpredictable company and even after all of the years he has been selling them they still seldom follow a build pattern but that he feels as in the past .2 GT3 and RS production will follow the new Gen 911's, GT2's etc. and to look for next Fall. Which I think has been said many times.
Lastly, there is a meeting he is attending in Atlanta in December at the Experience Center that will be training specifically for car customization and PTS and that he would have more info then..
Remember, NO MESSENGER SHOOTING
Tell your dealer friend , It's the only unicorn he will get . I can't see ( unfortunately ) the 992 being smaller . It will be turbocharged and at least as large .
11-12-2015, 08:30 PM
#544
Otherwise it sounds like such a driver's car. The great shame being that they plan to make so few that values will get stupid and few will be able to afford to actually drive them... Missing the mark IMHO- make more and let them be enjoyed. Appreciation is real driving's hidden nemesis.
11-12-2015, 09:13 PM
#545
Drifting
But I didn't give an exact number , I said between 400/600
I sorry if I'm missing something , it's been a long day
That's a brilliant idea
It will be the lightest 911 available . Again it's not a race or track car , it's a 991 more geared towards interaction and fun . It's not about grip and track speed . It's a limited edition car in the vein of the sport classic .
I have a lot of interest in a lighter , manual 911 . I think it will be the sweet spot of the range .
Sorry I have no information on American rs allocations .
Don't be too surprised that your dealer knows less than he should early in a cars life , often the USA (yes even dealers )know less than the European equivalent . When I said a harder , faster rs was coming months and months before anyone ever mentioned the 4.0 I was laughed at .
Tell your dealer friend , It's the only unicorn he will get . I can't see ( unfortunately ) the 992 being smaller . It will be turbocharged and at least as large .
I sorry if I'm missing something , it's been a long day
That's a brilliant idea
It will be the lightest 911 available . Again it's not a race or track car , it's a 991 more geared towards interaction and fun . It's not about grip and track speed . It's a limited edition car in the vein of the sport classic .
I have a lot of interest in a lighter , manual 911 . I think it will be the sweet spot of the range .
Sorry I have no information on American rs allocations .
Don't be too surprised that your dealer knows less than he should early in a cars life , often the USA (yes even dealers )know less than the European equivalent . When I said a harder , faster rs was coming months and months before anyone ever mentioned the 4.0 I was laughed at .
Tell your dealer friend , It's the only unicorn he will get . I can't see ( unfortunately ) the 992 being smaller . It will be turbocharged and at least as large .
You're the one throwing around definitive statements this afternoon. Care to share your credentials with us?
In regard to the 911R I'm certain he understands it's as good as we are going to get. And it's obviously not a unicorn IMO based on the sum of it's parts.
11-12-2015, 09:24 PM
#546
11-12-2015, 10:13 PM
#547
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Build 5000 drop the price, make it the lightest Porsche for sale. Rip out whatever it takes. Manual, CS package in a box, side muffler delete on the same box with a big *** sticker "illigal for road use" no leather no Alcantara, no flipper / resale value, one color only, no options. Just copy 5000 of them, start a race series a la GT4CUP and presto. Porsche lives up to its reputation instead of living OF it.
11-12-2015, 10:25 PM
#548
Absolutely, though I'd expect the car to be at least track worthy (uprights, dry sump, brakes, etc). Prototypes are wearing pilot sport cup 2s, so it seems likely to me it would be. Also hoping they keep the RWS, which seems the only practical way to disguise the 991's size (other than pulling the Audi Quattro trick and actually lopping a foot off the wheelbase- not likely).
Otherwise it sounds like such a driver's car. The great shame being that they plan to make so few that values will get stupid and few will be able to afford to actually drive them... Missing the mark IMHO- make more and let them be enjoyed. Appreciation is real driving's hidden nemesis.
Otherwise it sounds like such a driver's car. The great shame being that they plan to make so few that values will get stupid and few will be able to afford to actually drive them... Missing the mark IMHO- make more and let them be enjoyed. Appreciation is real driving's hidden nemesis.
11-12-2015, 10:55 PM
#549
I'm trying hard to stay away from a cup car. Please give me a street legal cup with lower running cost.
11-13-2015, 01:15 AM
#550
Rennlist Member
Experience during the build up to GT3 announcement taught us most of the valid information came from European factory contacts. wtdoom, rosenburg? And a few others got privy to accurate snide information early in the peace. bobR too. I've no doubt neglected a few too.
IMO no dealer stateside is likely in possession of this information yet.
My gut tells me we are looking at a Sport Classic type senario. I'm familiar with that model as it shipped to my market. If there is a reason it doesn't make the states it will be the louvred plexi side windows and the folding bucket seats. I'm going to guess 7 speed MT due to packaging - but not as we have known it - more a template for things to come with .2 GT3. Any weight savings will be nominal but I expect we will see some creative flourishes contained within. Perhaps some interior individualisation later to be found on GT cars and for the limited plaque there will need to be a few exclusive items.
I'm not sure this is a car of interest for the track rats at all, more a collectors curiosity, great weekend driver but more an expose if things to come in next GT iteration. Maybe a good opportunity for APs team to preview their "MT-S" to see if it gets approval from the purists etc
IMO no dealer stateside is likely in possession of this information yet.
My gut tells me we are looking at a Sport Classic type senario. I'm familiar with that model as it shipped to my market. If there is a reason it doesn't make the states it will be the louvred plexi side windows and the folding bucket seats. I'm going to guess 7 speed MT due to packaging - but not as we have known it - more a template for things to come with .2 GT3. Any weight savings will be nominal but I expect we will see some creative flourishes contained within. Perhaps some interior individualisation later to be found on GT cars and for the limited plaque there will need to be a few exclusive items.
I'm not sure this is a car of interest for the track rats at all, more a collectors curiosity, great weekend driver but more an expose if things to come in next GT iteration. Maybe a good opportunity for APs team to preview their "MT-S" to see if it gets approval from the purists etc
11-13-2015, 02:18 AM
#552
Drifting
Experience during the build up to GT3 announcement taught us most of the valid information came from European factory contacts. wtdoom, rosenburg? And a few others got privy to accurate snide information early in the peace. bobR too. I've no doubt neglected a few too.
IMO no dealer stateside is likely in possession of this information yet.
My gut tells me we are looking at a Sport Classic type senario. I'm familiar with that model as it shipped to my market. If there is a reason it doesn't make the states it will be the louvred plexi side windows and the folding bucket seats. I'm going to guess 7 speed MT due to packaging - but not as we have known it - more a template for things to come with .2 GT3. Any weight savings will be nominal but I expect we will see some creative flourishes contained within. Perhaps some interior individualisation later to be found on GT cars and for the limited plaque there will need to be a few exclusive items.
I'm not sure this is a car of interest for the track rats at all, more a collectors curiosity, great weekend driver but more an expose if things to come in next GT iteration. Maybe a good opportunity for APs team to preview their "MT-S" to see if it gets approval from the purists etc
IMO no dealer stateside is likely in possession of this information yet.
My gut tells me we are looking at a Sport Classic type senario. I'm familiar with that model as it shipped to my market. If there is a reason it doesn't make the states it will be the louvred plexi side windows and the folding bucket seats. I'm going to guess 7 speed MT due to packaging - but not as we have known it - more a template for things to come with .2 GT3. Any weight savings will be nominal but I expect we will see some creative flourishes contained within. Perhaps some interior individualisation later to be found on GT cars and for the limited plaque there will need to be a few exclusive items.
I'm not sure this is a car of interest for the track rats at all, more a collectors curiosity, great weekend driver but more an expose if things to come in next GT iteration. Maybe a good opportunity for APs team to preview their "MT-S" to see if it gets approval from the purists etc
11-13-2015, 02:56 AM
#553
It looks like the 911R won't be officially announced until March of next year.
http://blog.caranddriver.com/porsche...mission-911-r/
If you want this car, you should put down a deposit right now, from the sounds of the limited production numbers.
Personally, I'm completely happy with my GT3!
http://blog.caranddriver.com/porsche...mission-911-r/
If you want this car, you should put down a deposit right now, from the sounds of the limited production numbers.
Personally, I'm completely happy with my GT3!
11-13-2015, 03:01 AM
#554
Macca, I like the way you think.
I love that Porsche pulls out these once(or twice)-in-a-911-generation experiments and turns them into production cars. I'm really curious to see what kind of non-track-focussed car Motorsport would build. Super excited about this one!
I love that Porsche pulls out these once(or twice)-in-a-911-generation experiments and turns them into production cars. I'm really curious to see what kind of non-track-focussed car Motorsport would build. Super excited about this one!
11-13-2015, 05:04 AM
#555
I wouldn't go as far as a fail! As long as they deliver a MT gt3 and a Gt3RS with alcantara dash and visible weld seems down the road. The R seems like a very niche car. Similar to you I don't think this is a car of my liking. But, It will speak to a small group of buyers.
I'm trying hard to stay away from a cup car. Please give me a street legal cup with lower running cost.
I'm trying hard to stay away from a cup car. Please give me a street legal cup with lower running cost.
