stout

Amen. And thanks for coming here—your posts are inspirational, and your enthusiasm clear!!

pete

wtdoom

Thank you mr Stout , I love it here . I used to spend most time on the CGT section but will be here more often

Hoopumpers

Ooph...is there seriously any risk of Posche taking a 991 derived MT and adapting that for the R? I've driven that tranny (as many of you have) and we can all agree it's complete ****e. I have a very hard time believing this would be the course with AP, GT engineers, a 184k price tag and the upcoming use of the tranny in 991.2 GT3s. If I had an allocation, this would be a critical piece of data.

JackOlsen

I'm pretty sure it's a new box -- different ratios and the plan is for it to continue in the GT line. The other people driving it remarked on the clutch pedal requiring a lot of effort. I drive a 1972 normally, so that didn't occur to me at all.

stout

Gordon,

The gearbox uses the case from the 991's PDK-derived manual, with seventh gear ditched (saving 6.6~ pounds), a PM GT dept diff, and linkage to deal with the conversion to 6 forward gears. 1-4 ratios are similar to 991 GT3, 5-6 are revised. AP's reason to move from 7 to 6 gears was he felt seven creates too many gates. One option you WANT on this car is the lightweight flywheel (so long as you don't mind the additional noise). Sounds like it would have never been green-lighted as standard equipment, so making it an option was the way to go.

I was at the Geneva intro, and was a bit cynical going into it given all of the (sometimes fair) criticism of this car, and a tough to shake question of what would the world have said in 1972 if Porsche came out with a 911 dolled up to recall 356s in Panamericana or Mille Miglia liveries for the street? Any cynicism (or at least most of it) went out the window when I saw the car on the stand. Add rear seats and folding buckets, and this would be the perfect 991 for the road in my book. AP mentioned it beats the RS 4.0 for reward on back roads, which remains his (and my) high-water point in that regard, and mentions that the tweaks in this car are like the tweaks in that car over 997 RS 3.8—small and not appreciated by most, but key nonetheless. Sounds like there might be a special drive coming soon, but we'll see.

Car looked great in person, and the seats and many of the details are killer. I wish Porsche had made the new 911R available only in colors the original 911Rs were built in (Light Ivory, Slate Gray, Reventlow blue, Cadillac Gold, etc), and maybe did unique wheels for it or offered these in clear anodized like the old forged Fuchs, but we all end up with our "thing," don't we. And this car is probably the coolest of the recent GT3s in my book. Hope it drives as well as it promises to...

pete

stout

Jack,

Car you drove must have had the optional lightweight flywheel. And no, it wouldn't bug a vintage 911 driver, if the GT2 RS etc are anything to go by!

Pete

JackOlsen

That might be the case. There was some 'noise tuning' they talked about still wanting to refine. (Again, to my ears it was all very refined and quiet, until you got up in the revs with the exhaust button switched on.)

Hoopumpers

Completely agree on retro colors Pete. Shame

Jack, forgot you drove it. Your overall impressions of the MT? The 991.1 CS 7-speed I drove felt disconnected and very un-mechanical as compared to the 997/987 gen or 6-speed 981 GT4/spyder -- which are absolutely wonderful transmissions.

German_Saint

Nice. Perhaps with this car you will actually know you are doing something to make the car move vs the 991 GT3. I wanted something brutal & connected to me on my 991 GT3. I was chasing the 996 GT3 experience ( my only GT to compare against). Still chasing.

A worn out leg is a good thing.. thinking twice before jumping into rush hour traffic bc it's a real bitch even better.

JackOlsen

I wish I could be more help on that. I didn't notice anything really particular at all with the shifting. I've driven 997s with a MT, but I think the 991s I've driven have all had the paddles. And the cars they have with the stripes are both '000' pre-production cars, so I can't say that every component is the final and refined version. But again, it felt fine to me. Much easier than my old magnesium-case 915 with Porsches old-style synchros and aftermarket gearsets. But even my old Jeep feels easy and light compared to the 915.

GrantG

I'm in if things happen to work out

TRAKCAR

Put me on that list :-)

Footsoldier

This might cheer some of you up...

I've got a 918, bought new from Porsche. Full fat Weissach spec, PTS, Factory collection etc etc. I had it on a track after 18hrs and 3 times in the first week. I've driven 5,000 miles in 11 months and use it all the time. I've bought and own various other Porsches and other cars, and currently having a 924 Carrera GT restored by dealer, to be stripped and painted by Porsche GB.

I was first to put name on list for R at dealer, and said at the time that I would happily agree not to sell on. I have been told today that I've not been allocated an R, (no formal VIP program in UK). The dealer has been allocated one car, and it's going to someone who, to be fair, has better credentials, having also bought a CGT from new.

However, it's Porsche which has decided to build this car in limited numbers, and clearly has at least 991 customers who they'd rather have a car than me. That's their choice, and I will make mine...

So, good luck to all of you who get one. It will be a great car. Personally, I won't be buying another P car, ever. Not Halo, but goodbye...

CAlexio

Dear Father, I come to you because I have sinned in my mind.
I am embarrassed at my own sense of schadenfreude in reading Footsoldier's post, truly I am. For some reason, i feel better having read his words.. I rejoice in his misery. I'm overcome by a very populist "even the elites must feel our pain" sort of way. I repeat, I'm not proud of this, and I admit my sinful thoughts to you father, and to the Rennlist anonymous people's internet forum jury of not so equals.. but something about a PTS 918 owner not getting this car makes me feel less un-important. I will say 10 hail mary's as you recommend father

All catholic-ish confessions aside.. I try not to comment too much on this thread but I do think it bears repeating my previous post on this subject (of course i would think that) that this is a "dipping a toe in the water" moment for Porsche. They sell their high profit margin 911R to their very very loyal customers, a zero-risk experiment for them in recreating the high revving NA manual 911... they cunningly create this as a 991.1 body style even though the 991.2 is already out.. a perfect artificial marketing segmentation.

They then evaluate the level of angst amongst the plebes, as a gauge of potential volume for a 991.2 production run. My hope is that all these 136+ pages as well as many others in forums around the world, help to confirm their decision to recommence production of more manual gt3's in the future. Me must Keep at it.. we must keep venting the fury of the people... us, the poor unwashed mini-millionaires that we are. While we may not possess those multi-car 8-figure garages with multi-car collections of uber-rare machinery, we just wish for a humble, 500hp 4.0 single plate rattly clutch close ratio 6-speed manual rear-engined 911 beast of honest driving goodness... is that too much to ask?.

I am confident that even we, the top 1% but not quite the .01% will get our last dieing wish, we will get what we desire soon... the NA high revving manual 911 is not dead yet. Now give us our cake damn it.

Footsoldier

Move to Scotland - there will be at least one more manual GT3 available...