OT:911R
03-04-2016, 09:56 AM
#2071
Does anyone know when the remaining (after 918 owners) allocations will be distributed? I am 1 on a list at a major northeast dealer and have bought 4 P-cars from them in the last 2 years... we shall see I will keep you all posted
03-04-2016, 10:05 AM
#2072
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Whoopsy- glad you said what you did also.
In my experience there are only two ways to allocate limited edition cars: the waiting list and 'selected by PCNA' style.
The RS for instance and the last few generations has been relatively limited but as a high priced car in the market, or a car "hard to drive" for plebes, the 997.1 and 997.2 RS sold above msrp in the secondary market (dupont reg etc) or ferrari style at dealers. Lots of guys got their cars at msrp also. But- the stick shift kept out the high % of guys that would otherwise buy F1 trans ferraris or e-gear lambos. This new gen GT3/RS has invited all the guys waiting on their 300+k 488 coupes to paddle themselves. More new money buyers, more "new and unproven"'customers and therefore more flippers.
The ford GT on the other hand- allocated straight via allocation from corporate. People bitching about not getting a chance at one but they are only making 200-250 a year for a few years. Nobody will get them from shady tactics- only by being Ford Approved. Very opaque and does not matter when you raised your hand.
The CGT vs 918 thing- porsche learned their lesson and wanted to presell as many cars as possible, so they incentivized people to reach for the 1M car. They slightly over populated showrooms with the 440k CGT and dealers were losing 30-50k selling those.
There is no perfect way to do it, the demand is so big for the "good porsches" now. We have all now witnessed that they can execute any model (GT4, Boxster Spyder) that we wanted or previously only existed via aftermarket. Their core strength enthusiast style cars (GTS, GT3, RS) are all getting better and better.
Now they have shown they can reach way deep into the R+D pile and come out with awesome frankensteins like the 911R. They are on fire and as we make more collective money to spend on cars our choices are to purchase scarce used cars (997 RS, 993, 997 GT2, 964RSA, etc) or BEG for slots locally for new cars.
Waiting for the last minute or waffling gets anyone passed by. Too many of us have faith now in the brand and don't want to lose out on the next one.
In my experience there are only two ways to allocate limited edition cars: the waiting list and 'selected by PCNA' style.
The RS for instance and the last few generations has been relatively limited but as a high priced car in the market, or a car "hard to drive" for plebes, the 997.1 and 997.2 RS sold above msrp in the secondary market (dupont reg etc) or ferrari style at dealers. Lots of guys got their cars at msrp also. But- the stick shift kept out the high % of guys that would otherwise buy F1 trans ferraris or e-gear lambos. This new gen GT3/RS has invited all the guys waiting on their 300+k 488 coupes to paddle themselves. More new money buyers, more "new and unproven"'customers and therefore more flippers.
The ford GT on the other hand- allocated straight via allocation from corporate. People bitching about not getting a chance at one but they are only making 200-250 a year for a few years. Nobody will get them from shady tactics- only by being Ford Approved. Very opaque and does not matter when you raised your hand.
The CGT vs 918 thing- porsche learned their lesson and wanted to presell as many cars as possible, so they incentivized people to reach for the 1M car. They slightly over populated showrooms with the 440k CGT and dealers were losing 30-50k selling those.
There is no perfect way to do it, the demand is so big for the "good porsches" now. We have all now witnessed that they can execute any model (GT4, Boxster Spyder) that we wanted or previously only existed via aftermarket. Their core strength enthusiast style cars (GTS, GT3, RS) are all getting better and better.
Now they have shown they can reach way deep into the R+D pile and come out with awesome frankensteins like the 911R. They are on fire and as we make more collective money to spend on cars our choices are to purchase scarce used cars (997 RS, 993, 997 GT2, 964RSA, etc) or BEG for slots locally for new cars.
Waiting for the last minute or waffling gets anyone passed by. Too many of us have faith now in the brand and don't want to lose out on the next one.
03-04-2016, 10:05 AM
#2073
Three Wheelin'
On top of this, what is your placement on the dealer's waiting list, and how big is the dealer.
Drive safe,
GT3RS-Fan1
03-04-2016, 10:07 AM
#2074
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They have til march 8th to claim it. If they pass then PCNA gets to distribute via dealers (guys with deposits at top top stores) or directly through executive board recommended buyers (jay leno types).
03-04-2016, 10:09 AM
#2075
Three Wheelin'
03-04-2016, 10:47 AM
#2079
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I got my allocation confirmation today and was told I was one of only 10-20 nationwide "non vip" that was guaranteed a slot. Only because I put my name on list before there was a list.
I am going to do Euro delivery in the car after my "work season" is over. I want side stripes 100%.
If anyone wants to arrange for a drive across Europe in our R's or anyone wants to join up that's currently there, I will call in some favors to have our cars stored and cared for so that we can all whip around together. Since they are all being built together- no production issues.
Sample itinerary:
play around in stuttgart and vienna for a few days.
a1 south towards florence (always clear 365 days a year) - carb out and drive through cinque terra tunnels mandatory. Visit Ferrari Factory/ Lambo/ Pagani (all close together)
Whip up through northen italy into switzerland if weather permits, if not- head to monaco/ bordeaux. Optional to continue on to spain or possibly back to germany.
PM me if this interests you.
This is not going to be a gumball3000 BS thing I only want classy guys that won't get us all arrested. Maybe we can mix in a track day at Mugello or Paul Ricard. Depends on how much $$ it will cost.
I am going to do Euro delivery in the car after my "work season" is over. I want side stripes 100%.
If anyone wants to arrange for a drive across Europe in our R's or anyone wants to join up that's currently there, I will call in some favors to have our cars stored and cared for so that we can all whip around together. Since they are all being built together- no production issues.
Sample itinerary:
play around in stuttgart and vienna for a few days.
a1 south towards florence (always clear 365 days a year) - carb out and drive through cinque terra tunnels mandatory. Visit Ferrari Factory/ Lambo/ Pagani (all close together)
Whip up through northen italy into switzerland if weather permits, if not- head to monaco/ bordeaux. Optional to continue on to spain or possibly back to germany.
PM me if this interests you.
This is not going to be a gumball3000 BS thing I only want classy guys that won't get us all arrested. Maybe we can mix in a track day at Mugello or Paul Ricard. Depends on how much $$ it will cost.
I arranged the 22 car M3/M4 group delivery in 2014 and doing a 50 car M2 delivery this summer along with some GT4's thrown in.
Hoping my dealer comes through on my #1 spot for the 911R as I also signed up long before there was a list.
Would be great if we can arrange an all porsche euro romp in early october!
03-04-2016, 10:57 AM
#2080
I can help with the trip planning. How about Instead we head to the nurburgring for a private track day, be guests at a 4 hour enduro with sabine's team, party with her afterwards, then spa, and finally sarthe. Finally head back south and drive the spine of the alps back, possibly having a private tour in gmund.
I arranged the 22 car M3/M4 group delivery in 2014 and doing a 50 car M2 delivery this summer along with some GT4's thrown in.
Hoping my dealer comes through on my #1 spot for the 911R as I also signed up long before there was a list.
Would be great if we can arrange an all porsche euro romp in early october!
I arranged the 22 car M3/M4 group delivery in 2014 and doing a 50 car M2 delivery this summer along with some GT4's thrown in.
Hoping my dealer comes through on my #1 spot for the 911R as I also signed up long before there was a list.
Would be great if we can arrange an all porsche euro romp in early october!
03-04-2016, 10:59 AM
#2081
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Carrering, I'm interesting, depending on dates it would be fun.
We got together with other American ED customers, but it was a loose combination of separate itinerary's.
Its just a Macan but the car doesn't need to go back to Mid June I think. Plenty fast for the Ring..
We got together with other American ED customers, but it was a loose combination of separate itinerary's.
Its just a Macan but the car doesn't need to go back to Mid June I think. Plenty fast for the Ring..
03-04-2016, 11:13 AM
#2082
My confidence in the brand continues to decrease rather than increase, I think I'll just stick to some air cooled options and buy a Singer to enjoy
Last edited by NateOZ; 03-04-2016 at 11:14 AM. Reason: typo
03-04-2016, 11:22 AM
#2084
The first of the weekly R microsite driving tutorial videos is up today. Hopefully we'll get to see Long, Olsen, et al. enjoying the car through some perfect driving roads! This one is on seating position, called "Warm-Up."
http://www.porsche.com/microsite/911...esson1-warm-up
http://www.porsche.com/microsite/911...esson1-warm-up
03-04-2016, 12:08 PM
#2085
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If Porsche has people elbowing each other to try to get the R, like shoppers in the mall during the final days before Christmas, they seem to be doing a good job of creating demand for the car. But there's also the risk that Porsche will be perceived as openly catering to its most elite customers at the expense of its other customers, which could have a net negative effect on customer goodwill.
And what makes you thing the 'other' customers are more deserving the special cars than the 'elite' ones?
CJ here doesn't have a 918, yet he's got a 911R coming, so it's not impossible, one just need to prove to their dealer who does allocations that they are a worthy client.
The old GT2RS, GT3RS4.0 had even lower production numbers, where was the complaints back then? You are just blaming the 918 owners for no valid reasons.
Look at things this way, one 'other' customer got a 911R, one 'elite' customer also has one, which customer you think will worry about future 'resale' value and perhaps limits their driving time on such a limited car? The elite one couldn't care less, they will drive the car however he likes, while the normal one will think more about the potential windfall they can have by re-selling such a car in pristine condition.
You might say you are different and do drive and enjoy the R, but at the end of the day, would you be tempted to sell the car say for 500k or something when you initially paid MSRP and can realize a huge profit?
