Sheesh.

Some of us can appreciate stuff even if we can't get it. Or want it. I know what I want. Not the R. But it's still a great product.

Sheesh.

 

It isn't a car for everyone that's for sure . My dealer has had a couple guys in line for it pass on it . It is kind of cobbled together from the parts bin ( like my CS ) , but the idea is cool . I think the hard part is realizing that the configuration I come up with costs more than the way I'd configure an RS .

 

Well you know where I am going, and Its not the bubblewrap garage. Still when I read the thread here I got the impression some people think its just a plain vanila 911 for the streets. As I see it its a gt3, less grippy but even more fun. Not sure on them rotors, must check. Drove the Maclaren 570s the other day, there you are stuck With ceramic rotors. Hope Porsche is different and that One can have steel. I rather have steel.

 

Formula for the R, as I currently understand it:

- Start with GT3 (good)
- Get rid of some aero (not good)
- Apply lightweight materials from RS (good, but most people will hardly notice the weight savings on the road)
- Put in RS engine (good), but significantly drop rev limiter (not good) to avoid blowing engine
- Downgrade to 6-sp manual which will hopefully feel as good as GT4 (both good and not good)
- Mandatory PCCB to save some weight (good, but cost maybe not worth the benefit)
- Change RWS algorithm to make the car feel more lively on the road (good), possibly at expense of track capability (not good)
- Improve steering software to what will probably be in 991.2 GT3 (good), but retain electromechanical system which doesn't feel as good as the hydraulic system (not good)
- Add leather and other stuff to interior (subjective)
- Add stripes and logos (totally subjective, and can apply this at low cost aftermarket to any 911)
- Increase price beyond RS, and way beyond GT3, by making it a limited edition (not good); considering changes relative to GT3, I figure base price on R should be around $150K to $160K

 

It was no secret the 911r was sold out way before it was officially revealed and was offered to the 918 VIP clients 1st.

 

Paint to sample unfortunately is not going to be available, because of a time restraint all of the cars will be produced by July. They are however offering special colors of yellow, orange and black. The idea of the car is super lightweight so I think no radio is going to be a good thing. I just talked to the exclusive department and they said they are looking into feasibility on exclusive options and will know more in a week. They said it will likely be a shorter list of what is available on the RS. They said you do have to take Euro delivery in order to get side stripes, but not for the top stripes. The standard wheels appear to be silver, but they are aluminum white also known as platinum silver which is the standard finish on the UV RS wheels and a $4,500 option to get these wheels on the RS in any other color. I think these are the best wheels to get, if not these then high gloss black, but personal preference. Excited to see what the underbody rear diffuser they talk about looks like in the evo video -
I think a spec like this would be cool:

Model
911 R
991880
$184,900
Exterior Color
Black
A1
$6,950
Interior Color
Leather Interior in Black with Stitching in GT Silver
22
$3,480
Exterior
Windshield Top Tint
ZAG
$0
Aluminum Model Designation Plaque
ZAM
$0
Side Stripes with Porsche Script in Black Exclusive
CRS
$675
LED Headlights in Black with Porsche Dynamic Light System (PDLS) Exclusive
XEY
$3,395
SportDesign Exterior Mirror Upper Trim in Carbon Fiber Exclusive
XJW
$1,415
Headlight Cleaning System Covers in Exterior Color Exclusive
XUB
$295
Fuel Cap with Aluminum Look Finish Exclusive
XYB
$160
Performance
GT Sport Manual Transmission
486
$0
Lightweight Battery (Lithium-Ion)
192
$2,300
Single-Mass Flywheel with Reinforced Clutch
187
$3,650
Front Axle Lift System
474
$3,490
Sport Chrono Package (Porsche Track Precision App and Preparation for Lap Trigger)
643
$1,920
Extended Range Fuel Tank, 23.9 gal
082
$0
Wheels
20" GT3 Wheels
431
$0
Interior
Full Bucket Seats
P11
$0
Air Conditioning
573
$0
Vehicle Key Painted and Key Pouch in Leather Exclusive
DFS
$530
Interior Carbon Fiber
Carbon Fiber Floor Mats with Leather Edging Exclusive
CHM
$740
Door-Sill Guards in Carbon Fiber, Illuminated Exclusive
XXD
$1,275
Delivery Experience
European Delivery (Zuffenhausen)
900
$0
Z-Offer
Miscellaneous
911 R Limitation Number
1
27052
$0
MSRP incl. Options (excl. Individually Commissioned Equipment [CXX], if any)
$215,175
Delivery & Handling
$1,050
Total MSRP (excl. Individually Commissioned Equipment [CXX], if any)
$216,225
Remaining Balance (excl. Individually Commissioned Equipment [CXX], if any)
$216,225

 

... and how much over sticker will you be pimping this out for?

 

I wouldn't order a street car without radio. Even new RS looks a little to luxurious overall to skip the radio.
Need a lesser interior to go with radio delete.

 

there is one reason why radio delete is going to be valuable.

today when I get into a 997 car and turn on radio, it looks like crap: out of date, low resolution, slow, horribly UI, etc. think about it: what has remained timeless when it comes to automotive design? steering wheel, four tires and gear changer. you can get into Porsche built from 1965 and see the same timeless elements: four tires, steering wheel, gear changer - right? you with me so far? but imagine if Porsche in 1965 tried to do navigation or mp3? today we would have an entirely new technology and look at old low resolution navigation screen the same way we look at Windows 95 desktop today. in my opinion, in ten or fifteen years from now you going to look at the PCM screen in a 997 or 991 and it will make you want to puke. so to me radio delete is good news and always a win. in fact, I should probably go buy a 997 Radio Delete GT3RS before people realize how valuable those cars are

 

[QUOTE=anonymous918;13069818]there is one reason why radio delete is going to be valuable.

today when I get into a 997 car and turn on radio, it looks like crap: out of date, low resolution, slow, horribly UI, etc. think about it: what has remained timeless when it comes to automotive design? steering wheel, four tires and gear changer. you can get into Porsche built from 1965 and see the same timeless elements: four tires, steering wheel, gear changer - right? you with me so far? but imagine if Porsche in 1965 tried to do navigation or mp3? today we would have an entirely new technology and look at old low resolution navigation screen the same way we look at Windows 95 desktop today. in my opinion, in ten or fifteen years from now you going to look at the PCM screen in a 997 or 991 and it will make you want to puke. so to me radio delete is good news and always a win. in fact, I should probably go buy a 997 Radio Delete GT3RS before people realize how valuable those cars are [/QUOTE


Because of your post, I will try to delete the radio on my Spyder-order tomorrow.

Blueflame

 

Yet those classical Becker radios in older 911s have their place in history. Collectors repair them because they like to keep their cars original. Even Singer offers a unit that looks like the old radios,but underneath there's modern technology.

 

hopefully it is not to late to make that change.

P.S. - I ordered my Spyder without radio

 

Its funny...because the 996 radio isn't actually that bad or out-of-date. That's because it's simple and a very solid and timeless design. I agree the 997 nav and non-nav radios are UGLY and not well designed.

 

AutoGallery will probably have them starting at $500k

 

sure, because AM/FM radio is a simple technological unit that hasn't change and probably won't change. but imagine if that radio also had navigation, CD player, and 8-track, cassette tape, etc. oh wait, cassette tapes, 8-track and CDs already went the way of the dodo, which only proves my point. latest technology is great now but gets outdated in a few years. when car becomes classic 20-30 years later and I get into a car from the 80s or 90s there is usually one thing that annoys me: cassette player in a 964 or a Dictaphone in a 930 for example...