Late to an epic thread and read all 22 pages in a couple of swoops. What a trip!

 

Pete. Your tyre wear looks pretty good from my experience. Your outer shoulder still have more to go on front and rear. I think the rear needs similar camber than the front to work best. You will always get tyre roll over even with -3.0 on the front from what Ive seen. Front tyres wear quicker than rears which is a revelation. The factory pads are excellent - harder compound that I expected - I moved to an Endless compound and after 4 track days fronts were down to 5mm so far from Endless. OEM had lasted 5 track days before removing, 6000 road miles and were only 50% worn. I assume its the same compound as with 991 RS. Once you start feeling comfortable with the car moving around a bit beneath you the speed will come. I spent my first 6-7 track days struggling to get the grasp of the 991 GT3 (vs my older 911 track car). It did seem intimidating and I missed the communication from the older car. But finally on the last three track days its come together and I now can throw it around like the older car and getting it working harder. Actually my biggest complaint of the 991 GT3 at the track was how "over tired" it was which meant the slip angles seemed short and sharp and the circle of traction very big and wide and daunting to near the edge of. Once the car starts moving around under you it becomes to me much more fun as you can adjust its attitude and rate it into corners etc. We have 3.2-4.7km tracks here very much modeled on European tracks so lots of elevation, camber and tight 2/3 gear corners. Rotation is useful as are some slip angles. I think the RS will be harder to work up to that point due to massive grip but once you get some time with the chassis and can push it there you will find it becomes a "light on" moment. These were my experiences anyway.

Good to see everything is going well with the car. We have had a few examples of people overfilling 991 GT3 at track with oil because it says low oil and they top up by what they read is the recommended amount then it says Overfill! In some cases the oil has blown back up the filler neck and out the back lid or smoked off on the exhaust. Not a good idea. Its better to be under than over Im told as issue becomes oil blowback via crankcase and coal coating inside of intake manifold etc. Just top up 200-300ml regularly than try 500-600ml in one go.

Im getting little tapering with factory-pads although inside and outside pad wear differ by around 2mm at 50% at front.

Good idea to run those tyres a bit more. Nice to know how the tyre handles over its reasonable life. Im not sure how many track days you have on the original set mow but assume around 6, so my expectation is a couple more is realistic.

Once you start pushing teh car above 7/10th (which you will do immediately when you return to USA to your him track) the wear rations on everything will dramatically increase as you know. I spent the first 6000 mils and 6 track days thinking everything was lasting forever but like I say it wasnt till the last 4 and 2000 road miles that Ive really started to push hard (car is fastest in our group now) and now i can see the wear rates are much different for discs/pads/tyres.

Be interested in what your oil consumption is like on the track. A full day pushing on sees most of us GT3 owners use around 500ml of oil seems the consensus. One the road almost nothing.

Great following your journey. Its a great read first thing in the morning for me. Sounds like you are ticking the bucket list and that's what its all about. Drive safe.

 

Guys,
I think that the "new" PSC2 have less rubber right at the outside edges to begin with. As they are wearing, we all "see" the outer looking thinner than the rest of the tire, but take a close look and even measure a brand new one. The last 1/4 inch of that outer groove does not have nearly the thickness of groove depth as the inside 1/3. Anyone else notice this? Anyway you could take measurements of those new ones TRAKCAR? And ask those MICHELEIN techs too.

Anyone else notice this, or am I just imagining what I see on my cars tires??

 

No, just what he said. I know for sure they use the software to check the oil level without having to warm the car and run the test on the dash for the GT3, but because its "different" it wouldn't work on the RS. He also said that the oil drain plug was harder to get to because there is an extra oil line. Just saying there are more differences than the 200cc. Sorry I couldn't speak German well enough to dig deeper. Plus we were running way late...

It says so in the circuit manual that a cool down lap is very important. Sudden stops can cause engine damage due to overheating.

I like the Michelin guys but they didn't carry 21". I guess I could ave ordered them but I guess I change them the last day at Paul Ricard next week.

Parking brake keeps the car on the trailer. The straps are to make it look good.

Awesome. I didn't know my wing was that big :-) But I did already know my brake lights are more on than off at the Ring! Thanks for playing camera car for us and be patient :-)

LOL

Yes, I probably will go over anyway. It took is 7 hours to cover 450 KM's today in the van. Contact traffic jams.. I only wanted to risk up to 120Kmh with those little trailer wheels. Gawking cars passing us pretty much prevented or delayed us from overtaking trucks. The van is one comfy ride with air suspension and 4 captain chairs.. So it was nice today but than you see the cars flying by and I could kick myself. Tomorrow we go to Austria via mostly open Autobahn :-)

Maybe he was on his way to the Ring?

I just kept practicing the line you showed me!
Thanks for coming by to see us, really great. See you ina few weeks at Hockeheim "practice".

Hah!! I almost fell over today manually turning up the nose wheels to get enough angle to back the RS on the trailer. First thing AM it comes off again for a quick run to the Red Bull Ring tomorrow and the day after. Going to try and meet up with Jo_ker at the Austrian border and a fill up on the way there.

After the Red Bull trip the car goes back on the trailer and to Paul Ricard...

We ended up on the Autobahn at 16:00 couldn't have timed it worse, couple accidents and here we just arrived at 23:00.
Yes, You are a much faster driver and I could see that I had a lot more stick in certain conditions compared to you and Charlie.

I'm getting the hang of it. You are right it takes some figuring out to understand what the car will do.

Not that it resulted in 10/10 lap times, but I was pushing the car over the limit at a few corners at Spa. Long fast 3rd and 4th gear corners that allowed me to see how it hangs on. Its really just beyond what you think is possible with the RWS that its just taking me that long to believe it will really stick..Plus mega big rubber and down force.. If I push like this in the 997RS I'd go off or crash.

From what I see it looks like my rears wear more than the fronts, but as Milehigh911 says below it could just be the look of the outer edge in the rear. I will have one day at the Red Bull Ring and max 1.5 days at Paul Ricard, than I have to change and put all new on to make it the last 8 track days but I have another set if I need.

Anyway, more to learn

You may have a point, I'd love to hear from track guys that have run them to the cords to find out.
Maybe I should go -3F and 3R Camber next time, but it could just be the tire design..
if I can measure I will.

 

So Peter is that 2 days at Ring and 2 at Spa on first set of tires so far?

Also how much oil is needed after a day at a track like Spa?

Mike. I noticed the shoulders on my s find set of MPSC2 seemed to wear quicker but I had the geo reduced back gob factory settings so believed that was the reason. I'll let you know on the third set soon...

 

Looks like it's rubbing up against something maybe on the wheel arch?

 

That's Lord Reter to you, pleb.

 

That's about right. Lots of km at the Ring and 5 Days there but it's easy on brakes and tires plus not able to go 10/10 right away, 1.5 days at the Ring because first sessions low so this would be 3/4 days at Sebring.

Changed oil twice but I'm adding 250cc per track day about. Car has 3000km.

Best laps from Spa, drove my heart out!

 

I don't think so. They only touch when putting in almost full steering angle.

 

Nice driving Peter.

Any section you like more then the others at Spa?

 

O Rouge of course and the long double apex/ one long turn to the left it fun because high speed, but the slower stuff also needs delicate approach, I can see why this is a favorite track in Europe, no blind corners and almost every corner goes beyond text book cornering :-)

 

Very nice discription and spot on

I also like Blanchimont a lot - high speed stuff - but with RS massive 21" rear and entrance door big rear wing and your "metall *****" no problem

About being faster: don't forget that you are still pretty new to your car and I have driven lots of km/mls in my GT3 and also I have been to Spa before several times - so the advantage was on my side.

Red Bull is also very nice. You will like it. It also goes up and down and also has some tricky corners but is much shorter then Spa. The surrounding area and landscape is very nice too. Hope weather stays stable for you guys.

Take care and have safe travels

Peter

 

LOL, Mooty is too busy organizing another legendary Private track day event. https://rennlist.com/forums/showthre...ferrerid=59610
I'd be all over that as well as Rennsport has Porsche timed my ED better !!
I heard Clarke / GT3DE is going to there as well!!

You should take the RS, I can only image the laptime you pull there!

Leaving shortly Jo_ker advised me that 80% is no limit via Deggendorf, hopefully it stays dry :-) and look forward to the RedBull Ring. After tomorrow we need some scenic roads from Spielberg back to Mittelstetten with a good place for lunch. Suggestions?

 

How about this:

Going via Gmünd in Kärnten and maybe even continue to Zell am See ....
This is a bit longer detour via "Gmünd" where you can visit the old Porsche place.
Along the route you will find many little Austrian Restaurants. Most of them will have fantastic home made food (no convenience pre-cooked stuff). Your wifey speaks German and you a bit as well so should not have to much diffculties to find something on the Menue
Do not eat to much so - think about the weight penalty
Man - I have to admit now I am getting a bit jealous . I sit at home and work and you go playing!!! Well - you deserve it and go have double fun so you can tell some stories once we meet at Hockenheim ...

Peter

 

those jager schnitzels and hefeweissen are tempting though....!