mcsmcs1

A is paid and delivered

B is fully or partially manufactured and delayed

C is ordered and delayed ( will be a 2015 as production never began)

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Macca

Mike Ryan is correct. With the Caveat your vehicle actually entered the physical production process. If it did it will be delivered as a MY2014 VIN so will require the engine swapped out (or fitted).

Cathegort B therefore covers a "multitude of sins" and it could be argued its infact at least 2 categories within 1 (i.e. a car sitting registered at the dealer will have a different engine number after the sway - a car on the factory floor will have a Certificate of Conformity consistent with the new engine so when registered in country of destination the paperwork will correspond with the engine number of the engine in the car). Cat C seems to have all been moved to MY2014 Sept/Oct build cars for delivery Oct/Nov/Dec (one assumes)..

reidry

Fixed it for ya.



Ryan

Macca

oops. Thanks Ryan. Just got outta bed here. Must be my eyes LOL!

reidry

At least it's only your eyes ...

Ryan

Mike in CA

Thanks for the clarification, guys.

Nick

If the poster from Switzerland is correct, Porsche is using their order information in deciding the priority of cars getting engines. As he pointed out, though he took delivery before two others who ordered before him they will get their engines first.

This approach could cause some hard feelings among those who have taken delivery. It could mean two to three week delay for some. Someone could have ordered a special option which delayed his production by a few weeks but yet he will get his engine BEFORE cars that were built and delivered ahead of him.

Strange they did not use build dates as the criteria.

0Q991

+1.

LateBrake911

Sorry if I missed it, but did the gentleman from Switzerland specify the date he ordered his car? (I assume that is the 'Lock Date' as my dealer explained it).

I had a lock date of Sept 10 and just trying to speculate where I will fit in the queue -- I know, I know!!.. we will probably find out officially next week, but this is finally getting exciting again.

Z356

Macca: I assume you meant to say 'moved to MY2015' in your post above. Correct?

Have you confirmed with PAG when the first MY2015 gt3's (e.g. to European customers that were NOT previously CAT C) will start to be built in Zuffenhausen? I have now a confirmed report of a US spec MY2015 991 Targa going into V260 (vehicle entry to body shop) (CP 0.0) on 05/09/2014! That is Friday of next week! So at least some MY2015's non-gt3 991's are starting to be built in May!!!!

I have stated in this forum that I believe that long standing orders from ROW customers for MY2015 gt3's will go into production in June of 2014, at the very latest! These orders have been already programmed into the just-in-time & just-in-sequence production scheduling in Zuffenhausen. The reason Cat C (formerly MY2014) folks have all been re-scheduled to September as MY2015's (I believe) is to allow any change in specs (or perhaps even cancellations) to those cars to be taken into account and changes scheduled correctly and with adequate time by the factory. Others here in the forum believe than the factory has promised that no MY2015 gt3 will be built until all MY2014 Cat A & B gt3's are re-fitted with the new engines and that all Cat C customers get priority over any other early MY2015 gt3's.

We will know soon who is right. But I maintain that MY2015 gt3's will start rolling off the production lines in June (at the latest) for - at the minimum - ROW gt3 customers! I would love to hear from any customer outside of North America that knows his/her MY2015 gt3 is being built in June/July of 2014. Thank you.

Saludos,
Eduardo
Vail Valley, CO

Nick

Eduardo, if you are right Porsche is undermining the value of all the 2014 cars. Most will not get their engines until sometime in June or even July. It would also mean that those that ordered their cars as 2014's would be pushed behind those that were on the list for 2015's who will get their cars built in June while the 2014's/now 15's wait until September/ October.

The compensation program would be inadequate if your scenario came to fruition. It would be a slap in the face to all of us who have been patiently waiting for not only our engines but information regarding cars ordered, built, grounded or never delivered.

It would be an indication that Porsche is putting profit over customers they wronged. Should this come to pass, it will put me into play.

The more I think about it the madder I get. Buyers in Europe will be driving 2015 GT3's while I sit and wait for an engine on my 2014 GT3 which I have yet to see let alone drive. How in the f**k can they do this to us???? Does Porsche really believe a few thousand dollars they bribe me with will cut it? AND by the way, if Porsche tries to pull a power play and say well if you don't want the car you don't have to take my response will be Porsche you have it backwards. I ordered a car which you promised to deliver and you failed. To make things worse you than deliberately undermined the value of the car by producing 2015 models before delivery my 2014. Therefore, under Court of Equity principles you must furnish me a 2015 model and make me whole. I will not let this rest.

mcsmcs1

Nick, don't let Eduardo get you all riled up. He is simply basing this conjecture off of normal precedent. The GT3 fiasco is uncharted waters and Porsche is acutely aware of the need to make this right for the stakeholders.

Nick

I hope you are right. But if Porsche starts producing 2015's while we are still waiting for our engines, no matter how bad we want this car we cannot accept it. If they start producing 2015's before I get my engine I want priority on the 2015. They can keep their few thousand dollars. I am willing to test this in a California Court. It is a matter of equity and fair dealing.

996FLT6

If to appease the shareholders sounds prudent to deliver 2015's on schedule rt? As most said car is selling like hotcakes- why would PAG offset timeline for the 2015 due to the 2014? If this true what Eduardo said why have 2 pissed off 2014 and 2015 owners when u only need to **** off only one. Mike

0Q991

Besides what has been mentioned, there is the fact that PAG flat out stated that the new engines would be put in the 2014 cars first and that no 2015s would be produced until all swaps were done.