Compensation
03-24-2014, 11:07 PM
#286
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Ok.. so on the resale market the 2014's will be better then the 2015's, as the rumor will be that the 2015 motors were the re-built 2014's . vs the 2014 having pure assembly line motors... Perfect.. Thx for the help..
03-24-2014, 11:10 PM
#287
Drifting
^+1. If not, I will RUN and keep $170K in my bank account.
03-24-2014, 11:25 PM
#288
03-24-2014, 11:39 PM
#289
Race Director
You're probably right. Porsche will spend over $100M to put brand brand new motors in 785 cars and not bother to fix the connecting rod issue so they can do the whole thing over again. Brilliant.
03-24-2014, 11:41 PM
#290
Race Director
03-24-2014, 11:45 PM
#291
Drifting
03-25-2014, 12:26 AM
#292
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03-25-2014, 12:45 AM
#293
Drifting
Do you really believe motor cost them 1/3 of the cost of the car ? ! Delusion!
This is what is going to happen. This is going to cost Porsche VERY little-- actually they have a high probably of making a PROFIT!
About $12million in terms of new motors for all 800 cars affected. Remove all accessories from current motors and stock pile them- refurnished them- cars all very low/no miles so probably cost sub 500k for them to bring to "new" standard or much less.
In terms of parts accessories they will resell to extended warranties or customers like you and in a few years ( remember they share the same components with most 911 platforms) they will end up MAKING money in selling them.
As for the motors in question. Tear down or sell for scrap and get money... Porsche WILL make a profit from disaster. Or just take a hit from their $23,000 profit. Keyword PROFIT. Profit takes into account R&D + cost of running a business. SO in other words the margins they MAKE per car are substantially higher then "23,000" dollars... cmon guys.
In my eyes Porsche will make money from this
sorry to burst your bubble for those hoping Porsche losing money- it aint going to happen !
03-25-2014, 12:52 AM
#294
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To all the current GT3 owners who do not like Porsche's compensation package, and who will be asking for their money back to deposit into their own bank account, may I propose that you send me all this cash to invest for you for the next 4 years. I promise you an undisclosed, fair annual rate of return per year on your investment. The money will be used to operate a Pyramid scheme that is a better business model than what Amway uses and rewards greatly the people on top of the pyramid, which I will hand pick these people personally. The capital raised will used to buy dedicated track toys to disenfranchised GT3 owners. People on top of the pyrmid will be getting used McLarens, Ferraris and Lamborghinis. People at the middle of the pyramid will be getting used BMWs, Minis, Fiats, and subarus, and finally people on the bottom of the pyramid will be getting used Geo Metros, Hyundai excels, Chevy Chevettes, Chevy Corvettes, Z28s, and Yugos. People at bottom of pyramid scheme will be also required to donate some of their time to deliver these dedicated track cars to their new owners to cut down on shipping cost and maximize profit.
This may prove the best counter attack we would take against Porsch to scare them into giving us a fair compensation package, not discounting of course the merits of such a great investment plan.
This may prove the best counter attack we would take against Porsch to scare them into giving us a fair compensation package, not discounting of course the merits of such a great investment plan.
03-25-2014, 12:59 AM
#295
Drifting
To all the current GT3 owners who do not like Porsche's compensation package, and who will be asking for their money back to deposit into their own bank account, may I propose that you send me all this cash to invest for you for the next 4 years. I promise you an undisclosed, fair annual rate of return per year on your investment. The money will be used to operate a Pyramid scheme that is a better business model than what Amway uses and rewards greatly the people on top of the pyramid, which I will hand pick these people personally. The capital raised will used to buy dedicated track toys to disenfranchised GT3 owners. People on top of the pyrmid will be getting used McLarens, Ferraris and Lamborghinis. People at the middle of the pyramid will be getting used BMWs, Minis, Fiats, and subarus, and finally people on the bottom of the pyramid will be getting used Geo Metros, Hyundai excels, Chevy Chevettes, Chevy Corvettes, Z28s, and Yugos. People at bottom of pyramid scheme will be also required to donate some of their time to deliver these dedicated track cars to their new owners to cut down on shipping cost and maximize profit.
This may prove the best counter attack we would take against Porsch to scare them into giving us a fair compensation package, not discounting of course the merits of such a great investment plan.
This may prove the best counter attack we would take against Porsch to scare them into giving us a fair compensation package, not discounting of course the merits of such a great investment plan.
03-25-2014, 01:10 AM
#297
Mike, where are you getting the 100million ? Seriously. Cost for motor is probably $15k for them including shipping to dealers.
Do you really believe motor cost them 1/3 of the cost of the car ? ! Delusion!
This is what is going to happen. This is going to cost Porsche VERY little-- actually they have a high probably of making a PROFIT!
About $12million in terms of new motors for all 800 cars affected. Remove all accessories from current motors and stock pile them- refurnished them- cars all very low/no miles so probably cost sub 500k for them to bring to "new" standard or much less.
In terms of parts accessories they will resell to extended warranties or customers like you and in a few years ( remember they share the same components with most 911 platforms) they will end up MAKING money in selling them.
As for the motors in question. Tear down or sell for scrap and get money... Porsche WILL make a profit from disaster. Or just take a hit from their $23,000 profit. Keyword PROFIT. Profit takes into account R&D + cost of running a business. SO in other words the margins they MAKE per car are substantially higher then "23,000" dollars... cmon guys.
In my eyes Porsche will make money from this sorry to burst your bubble for those hoping Porsche losing money- it aint going to happen !
Do you really believe motor cost them 1/3 of the cost of the car ? ! Delusion!
This is what is going to happen. This is going to cost Porsche VERY little-- actually they have a high probably of making a PROFIT!
About $12million in terms of new motors for all 800 cars affected. Remove all accessories from current motors and stock pile them- refurnished them- cars all very low/no miles so probably cost sub 500k for them to bring to "new" standard or much less.
In terms of parts accessories they will resell to extended warranties or customers like you and in a few years ( remember they share the same components with most 911 platforms) they will end up MAKING money in selling them.
As for the motors in question. Tear down or sell for scrap and get money... Porsche WILL make a profit from disaster. Or just take a hit from their $23,000 profit. Keyword PROFIT. Profit takes into account R&D + cost of running a business. SO in other words the margins they MAKE per car are substantially higher then "23,000" dollars... cmon guys.
In my eyes Porsche will make money from this
sorry to burst your bubble for those hoping Porsche losing money- it aint going to happen !
03-25-2014, 01:11 AM
#298
Race Director
Mike, where are you getting the 100million ? Seriously. Cost for motor is probably $15k for them including shipping to dealers.
Do you really believe motor cost them 1/3 of the cost of the car ? ! Delusion!
This is what is going to happen. This is going to cost Porsche VERY little-- actually they have a high probably of making a PROFIT!
About $12million in terms of new motors for all 800 cars affected. Remove all accessories from current motors and stock pile them- refurnished them- cars all very low/no miles so probably cost sub 500k for them to bring to "new" standard or much less.
In terms of parts accessories they will resell to extended warranties or customers like you and in a few years ( remember they share the same components with most 911 platforms) they will end up MAKING money in selling them.
As for the motors in question. Tear down or sell for scrap and get money... Porsche WILL make a profit from disaster. Or just take a hit from their $23,000 profit. Keyword PROFIT. Profit takes into account R&D + cost of running a business. SO in other words the margins they MAKE per car are substantially higher then "23,000" dollars... cmon guys.
In my eyes Porsche will make money from this sorry to burst your bubble for those hoping Porsche losing money- it aint going to happen !
Do you really believe motor cost them 1/3 of the cost of the car ? ! Delusion!
This is what is going to happen. This is going to cost Porsche VERY little-- actually they have a high probably of making a PROFIT!
About $12million in terms of new motors for all 800 cars affected. Remove all accessories from current motors and stock pile them- refurnished them- cars all very low/no miles so probably cost sub 500k for them to bring to "new" standard or much less.
In terms of parts accessories they will resell to extended warranties or customers like you and in a few years ( remember they share the same components with most 911 platforms) they will end up MAKING money in selling them.
As for the motors in question. Tear down or sell for scrap and get money... Porsche WILL make a profit from disaster. Or just take a hit from their $23,000 profit. Keyword PROFIT. Profit takes into account R&D + cost of running a business. SO in other words the margins they MAKE per car are substantially higher then "23,000" dollars... cmon guys.
In my eyes Porsche will make money from this
sorry to burst your bubble for those hoping Porsche losing money- it aint going to happen !The 9A1 GT3 motors are $55K retail. Sure there's a markup, but it's not 350%. There will be the costs for compensation, potential buybacks, shipping, labor, internal costs for engineering, testing, suppliers, administration, etc. not to mention the potential hit to sales and the bad PR. I don't think Porsche will be coming out of this with a positive on the balance sheet.
But lets not quibble about that. It was suggested that we shouldn't believe what Porsche is saying about the fix and that they are BS'ing us about the new engines. My point is, that's absurd, and that regardless of what this all will cost them, there's no way they risk a repeat performance of this disaster and go the trouble of replacing 785 engines without a robust fix. You're not suggesting this whole thing was a secret profit exercise for Porsche, are you?
03-25-2014, 01:21 AM
#299
Rennlist Member
Mike, where are you getting the 100million ? Seriously. Cost for motor is probably $15k for them including shipping to dealers.
Do you really believe motor cost them 1/3 of the cost of the car ? ! Delusion!
This is what is going to happen. This is going to cost Porsche VERY little-- actually they have a high probably of making a PROFIT!
About $12million in terms of new motors for all 800 cars affected. Remove all accessories from current motors and stock pile them- refurnished them- cars all very low/no miles so probably cost sub 500k for them to bring to "new" standard or much less.
In terms of parts accessories they will resell to extended warranties or customers like you and in a few years ( remember they share the same components with most 911 platforms) they will end up MAKING money in selling them.
As for the motors in question. Tear down or sell for scrap and get money... Porsche WILL make a profit from disaster. Or just take a hit from their $23,000 profit. Keyword PROFIT. Profit takes into account R&D + cost of running a business. SO in other words the margins they MAKE per car are substantially higher then "23,000" dollars... cmon guys.
In my eyes Porsche will make money from this sorry to burst your bubble for those hoping Porsche losing money- it aint going to happen !
Do you really believe motor cost them 1/3 of the cost of the car ? ! Delusion!
This is what is going to happen. This is going to cost Porsche VERY little-- actually they have a high probably of making a PROFIT!
About $12million in terms of new motors for all 800 cars affected. Remove all accessories from current motors and stock pile them- refurnished them- cars all very low/no miles so probably cost sub 500k for them to bring to "new" standard or much less.
In terms of parts accessories they will resell to extended warranties or customers like you and in a few years ( remember they share the same components with most 911 platforms) they will end up MAKING money in selling them.
As for the motors in question. Tear down or sell for scrap and get money... Porsche WILL make a profit from disaster. Or just take a hit from their $23,000 profit. Keyword PROFIT. Profit takes into account R&D + cost of running a business. SO in other words the margins they MAKE per car are substantially higher then "23,000" dollars... cmon guys.
In my eyes Porsche will make money from this
sorry to burst your bubble for those hoping Porsche losing money- it aint going to happen !
03-25-2014, 01:22 AM
#300
Rennlist Member
Just for the sake of argument, what alternative (to BS-ing and throwing the dice one last time) would they have if they were unable to come up with a robust fix under such tight time constraints? Admit to the blunder publicly and cancel/delay GT3 production for a year or two?