Compensation
03-26-2014, 12:27 AM
#346
Race Director
I suspected as much from the beginning, which is one reason why I never took one.
03-26-2014, 12:42 AM
#348
03-26-2014, 12:37 PM
#349
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FWIW, this was posted on the RT site;
Hi all, I really enjoy the posts, just to give you a quick update from Switzerland. Talking with the Porsche Switzerland and also the center, there are 2 additional production lines for the engine. So give or take 8-9 engines per day for WW. One thing is sure that all cars will be done by end of May, ok that is late but still lots of track in the rest of the year. In terms of date we will know more next week, so I could still be ok for the Mugello early may, let's hope.
As far as indemnity, the Swiss owner will get Frs 225 per day. Note we already have as a standard 4 years warranty and don^t expect we will get an extra year. The most important aspect is that the engine get the matching vehicule number and to be hones, Frs 225 per day is decent for those who don't have a credit / leasing. Porsche will provide at the center the credit note so I will leave that amount there to cover the 2014 tracks, that is going to be ard $20K enough for couple to tires sets, pads, etc.
I cannot believe they can only produce only 8-9 engines a day.
Hi all, I really enjoy the posts, just to give you a quick update from Switzerland. Talking with the Porsche Switzerland and also the center, there are 2 additional production lines for the engine. So give or take 8-9 engines per day for WW. One thing is sure that all cars will be done by end of May, ok that is late but still lots of track in the rest of the year. In terms of date we will know more next week, so I could still be ok for the Mugello early may, let's hope.
As far as indemnity, the Swiss owner will get Frs 225 per day. Note we already have as a standard 4 years warranty and don^t expect we will get an extra year. The most important aspect is that the engine get the matching vehicule number and to be hones, Frs 225 per day is decent for those who don't have a credit / leasing. Porsche will provide at the center the credit note so I will leave that amount there to cover the 2014 tracks, that is going to be ard $20K enough for couple to tires sets, pads, etc.
I cannot believe they can only produce only 8-9 engines a day.
03-26-2014, 02:12 PM
#351
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FWIW, this was posted on the RT site;
Hi all, I really enjoy the posts, just to give you a quick update from Switzerland. Talking with the Porsche Switzerland and also the center, there are 2 additional production lines for the engine. So give or take 8-9 engines per day for WW. One thing is sure that all cars will be done by end of May, ok that is late but still lots of track in the rest of the year. In terms of date we will know more next week, so I could still be ok for the Mugello early may, let's hope.
As far as indemnity, the Swiss owner will get Frs 225 per day. Note we already have as a standard 4 years warranty and don^t expect we will get an extra year. The most important aspect is that the engine get the matching vehicule number and to be hones, Frs 225 per day is decent for those who don't have a credit / leasing. Porsche will provide at the center the credit note so I will leave that amount there to cover the 2014 tracks, that is going to be ard $20K enough for couple to tires sets, pads, etc.
I cannot believe they can only produce only 8-9 engines a day.
Hi all, I really enjoy the posts, just to give you a quick update from Switzerland. Talking with the Porsche Switzerland and also the center, there are 2 additional production lines for the engine. So give or take 8-9 engines per day for WW. One thing is sure that all cars will be done by end of May, ok that is late but still lots of track in the rest of the year. In terms of date we will know more next week, so I could still be ok for the Mugello early may, let's hope.
As far as indemnity, the Swiss owner will get Frs 225 per day. Note we already have as a standard 4 years warranty and don^t expect we will get an extra year. The most important aspect is that the engine get the matching vehicule number and to be hones, Frs 225 per day is decent for those who don't have a credit / leasing. Porsche will provide at the center the credit note so I will leave that amount there to cover the 2014 tracks, that is going to be ard $20K enough for couple to tires sets, pads, etc.
I cannot believe they can only produce only 8-9 engines a day.
The primary engine assembly building has very specialized jigs and work stations with a combination of human assembly and some machines to do repetitive tasks like tightening bolts. It's hard to imagine that Porsche could set up 2 new similar lines on such short notice unless they've gone back to total hand assembly on a temporary basis. In any case, 8-9 extra engines a day does sound like a low number.
03-26-2014, 03:07 PM
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It seems low, but if the number is correct, then 785 / 9 engines a day = 87 days needed to build motors for all affected cars, which will land us somewhere around the middle of June (assuming they start today or they've already started). That falls in line with the June estimate others and myself have heard.
If motors are shipped out regularly as they come off the line, owners who've taken delivery that are slated to get them first should have their cars back fairly soon, even with 8-9 engines a day.
If motors are shipped out regularly as they come off the line, owners who've taken delivery that are slated to get them first should have their cars back fairly soon, even with 8-9 engines a day.
03-26-2014, 03:19 PM
#353
8-9 total a day seems very low. Number should likely be higher than that and it would not be surprising if PAG sandbagged their progress and that a good number of engines have already been made.
03-26-2014, 03:34 PM
#354
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It seems low, but if the number is correct, then 785 / 9 engines a day = 87 days needed to build motors for all affected cars, which will land us somewhere around the middle of June (assuming they start today or they've already started). That falls in line with the June estimate others and myself have heard.
If motors are shipped out regularly as they come off the line, owners who've taken delivery that are slated to get them first should have their cars back fairly soon, even with 8-9 engines a day.
If motors are shipped out regularly as they come off the line, owners who've taken delivery that are slated to get them first should have their cars back fairly soon, even with 8-9 engines a day.
Per the National Geographic special on the Porsche 911 that was filmed shortly after the new plant facility opened around 2009 (I visited it in June 2009), Porsche could produce over 500 engines a day. Someone recently posted that the number had been expanded to 650 a day which makes sense given the increased overall production goals. If Porsche turned over the assembly facility to producing GT3 engines for just a day and a half, they could complete the job. Just sayin".....
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03-26-2014, 04:07 PM
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Best to stay positive though, so hope they'll be built as well and as quickly as possible.
03-26-2014, 04:19 PM
#356
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FWIW, this was posted on the RT site;
Hi all, I really enjoy the posts, just to give you a quick update from Switzerland. Talking with the Porsche Switzerland and also the center, there are 2 additional production lines for the engine. So give or take 8-9 engines per day for WW. One thing is sure that all cars will be done by end of May, ok that is late but still lots of track in the rest of the year. In terms of date we will know more next week, so I could still be ok for the Mugello early may, let's hope.
As far as indemnity, the Swiss owner will get Frs 225 per day. Note we already have as a standard 4 years warranty and don^t expect we will get an extra year. The most important aspect is that the engine get the matching vehicule number and to be hones, Frs 225 per day is decent for those who don't have a credit / leasing. Porsche will provide at the center the credit note so I will leave that amount there to cover the 2014 tracks, that is going to be ard $20K enough for couple to tires sets, pads, etc.
I cannot believe they can only produce only 8-9 engines a day.
Hi all, I really enjoy the posts, just to give you a quick update from Switzerland. Talking with the Porsche Switzerland and also the center, there are 2 additional production lines for the engine. So give or take 8-9 engines per day for WW. One thing is sure that all cars will be done by end of May, ok that is late but still lots of track in the rest of the year. In terms of date we will know more next week, so I could still be ok for the Mugello early may, let's hope.
As far as indemnity, the Swiss owner will get Frs 225 per day. Note we already have as a standard 4 years warranty and don^t expect we will get an extra year. The most important aspect is that the engine get the matching vehicule number and to be hones, Frs 225 per day is decent for those who don't have a credit / leasing. Porsche will provide at the center the credit note so I will leave that amount there to cover the 2014 tracks, that is going to be ard $20K enough for couple to tires sets, pads, etc.
I cannot believe they can only produce only 8-9 engines a day.
03-26-2014, 04:32 PM
#357
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http://autos.yahoo.com/news/free-eng...160000440.html
So Honda extends warranty form 3 years to 8 years... hm Porsche ? Let us wait and see
So Honda extends warranty form 3 years to 8 years... hm Porsche ? Let us wait and see
03-26-2014, 04:48 PM
#358
Burning Brakes
Assuming 4 months compensation at $250 per day is $30,000. For that much money I would rather have the 2014. I can't imagine 3 years down the road that 2 cars with perfect engines, same condition, miles etc. would have that big of a market value difference. If the new engines are perfect, we will all be fine. If they have more engine problems then we all will be screwed regardless of the year model.
03-26-2014, 05:02 PM
#359
Assuming 4 months compensation at $250 per day is $30,000. For that much money I would rather have the 2014. I can't imagine 3 years down the road that 2 cars with perfect engines, same condition, miles etc. would have that big of a market value difference. If the new engines are perfect, we will all be fine. If they have more engine problems then we all will be screwed regardless of the year model.
03-26-2014, 05:25 PM
#360
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While I want everyone to have their GT3's as quickly as possible, it seems logistically unlikely that they'd pause production on all other vehicles for us - a relatively small, though no less important part of PAG's customer base. Also, the whole facility may not be qualified or equipped to build these motors. And I'm sure they want to be extra careful with the engines lest something like this happen again, which would be the end of it for many.
Best to stay positive though, so hope they'll be built as well and as quickly as possible.
Best to stay positive though, so hope they'll be built as well and as quickly as possible.
As you say, it's best to stay positive and hope the new engines find their way into our cars sooner rather than later.