Stop Sale?
#2476
Rennlist Member
No problem. But it's going to cost more than 85.
https://rennlist.com/forums/racing-a...n-cup-car.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/racing-a...n-cup-car.html
EDIT: Or better yet, Porsche themselves could make a limited batch of "refurbished" and stripped 2700lbs 500 Cayman GT3 and 250 Boxster GT3 and sell them for $100k a pop. (One can dream...)
#2477
Race Director
On one of the manufacturing delay threads quite some time back, a European RL’er posted that more than one early car suffered broken con rods in the hands of journalists conducting test drives. A bunch of people who are active in this forum immediately pounced on him, labeling him a troll, stating that he was full of BS, etc. Months later there is a stop sale, and unofficial reports from various sources, including highly respected European publications, are all indicating problems with rod bolts and/or rod failures.
If the current stop sale does indeed turn out to be related to rod bolt failure, it seems that our heavily-ridiculed RL poster from so many months ago was spot on. Could it have been a big coincidence that he fabricated a BS story that just so happened to turn out to be true? Possible I suppose, but the alternative seems more likely, IMO.
If the current stop sale does indeed turn out to be related to rod bolt failure, it seems that our heavily-ridiculed RL poster from so many months ago was spot on. Could it have been a big coincidence that he fabricated a BS story that just so happened to turn out to be true? Possible I suppose, but the alternative seems more likely, IMO.
I was told that this current issue had not surfaced at any point in the testing and I believe my source. You can take it with a grain of salt. But more to the point, if such an event actually happened in the hands of journalists testing the car as the poster claimed, why did nothing from those alleged journalists ever appear in print or leak out anywhere else except from one guy on an internet forum? That was the question at the time and it's still a valid one, IMHO.
Rumors and reports have sprung up about various disasters with the valve train, con rods, bearings, PDK-S, RWS, oil coolers, brackets, what have you. If you throw enough stuff against the wall, something might even stick. The notion that Porsche knew there was a specific problem in advance, put the engine into production anyway, and then spent over a month pretending to investigate the known failure to fool the public while getting chewed up in the press and social media is tin-hat conspiracy theory stuff.
Last edited by Mike in CA; 03-16-2014 at 09:18 PM.
#2478
Rennlist Member
But what if we do a group buy? Surely they can build them cheaper by the couple dozen?
Yup, I remember!
That is what stuck me too. Months before the stop sale, the guy comes out of wood work made a very specific claim about a very specific part failing and if it turns out that indeed is the part that is failing (we don't know for sure that is indeed the case yet and it might turn out to be something else), chances are he knew something. Which means Porsche also knew something.
#2479
Race Car
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#2484
Three Wheelin'
The notion that Porsche knew there was a specific problem in advance, put the engine into production anyway, and then spent over a month pretending to investigate the known failure to fool the public while getting chewed up in the press and social media is ridiculous tin-hat conspiracy theory stuff.
Yes, speculation but definitely sounds like plausible explanation to me of what happened/is happening and more than a tin-hat conspiracy. Of course, just my 2c, I have absolutely have no inside source unlike many others here.
#2486
Race Director
Mike, I don't think anyone is saying they are pretending to investigate. Bear with me a plausible scenario - Porsche knew about an issue. They delayed the production to investigate but couldn't find the root cause in a timely manner. So decided to go ahead with production probably because the probability of the failure was very low and something they figured they could handle more cost effectively through a warranty repair (wouldn't be the first time a car manufacturer did this). And the failures happen with customer cars with very low probability, but except with catastrophic consequence - the fires. So now it becomes imperative to find the root cause and a fix. And the stop sale and the don't drive directive.
Yes, speculation but definitely sounds like plausible explanation to me of what happened/is happening and more than a tin-hat conspiracy. Of course, just my 2c, I have absolutely have no inside source unlike many others here.
Yes, speculation but definitely sounds like plausible explanation to me of what happened/is happening and more than a tin-hat conspiracy. Of course, just my 2c, I have absolutely have no inside source unlike many others here.
The fundamental question I would ask is, what evidence do we have that Porsche "knew about an issue"? Why even begin with that assumption? Because some guy on an internet forum started a rumor about a failure that was completely unsubstantiated, and not even reported by the very journalists who he said were testing the car when it occurred? I can make all kinds of specific predictions about what the market will do this year and one of them might even come true. Doesn't mean I know what I'm talking about.
Sometimes stuff just happens. Rather than believing that Porsche purposely took a risk and tried to slide by with a known issue in one of their halo cars, it makes more sense to me that a faulty part or manufacturing defect caused an unexpected and difficult to find problem. Maybe I'm wrong, but if we're going to compare plausible explanations my personal 2 cents is, that seems a simpler and more straightforward one.
#2487
+1 on this. I just can't imagine why they would risk lives and their hard earned reputation to what? Sell a few hundred cars early? In the grand scheme of things the GT cars are not a major component of revenue nor earnings. BUT that customer base is among the most ardent. To risk this purposely makes far less sense (especially when the changes to the GT3 were already shall we say "controversial") than a QC issue.
#2489
Furthermore in PA we have a pretty decent consumer protection and fraud statute. If Porsche were determined to have intentionally or even recklessly allowed their product to be sold with a known defect they could be held to pay treble damages and attorney's fees.
As I said earlier I have plenty of cars to drive and I have plenty of patience. When it's here its here. I will welcome my GT3 into the fold with open arms and I know that Porsche will stand behind her and if they don't I'll punish them without mercy.
#2490
Drifting
Thanks for posting ,had seen it some time ago,
Refreshingly outstanding !!!
a salesman at WPB P store today stated announcement 9am Monday , just sharing info here , I am not
claiming facts FWIW
Refreshingly outstanding !!!
a salesman at WPB P store today stated announcement 9am Monday , just sharing info here , I am not
claiming facts FWIW
Last edited by R.Deacon; 03-16-2014 at 11:56 PM.