Dude-

Hey Nick, I definitely don't know the answers but I have been calling them very impatiently trying to get some answers. The more I call the more I'm beginning understand why these are taking so long.
Last week, we received word that 175 euro was offered. As the net got a hold of this, more and more questions came up and uncovered a lot of other scenarios which added to the pot. "Lost of use" issue, then Year span depreciation, then came the 2014-15 cut off which added to the mess and finally the resale value factor of a swapped engine and compound that with a short year production which pigeon hole the 2014. As you can see, once a decision was made a new problem came up. Im not defending Porsche but they do have a nightmare on their hands as new issues pop up thanks to the doubters arguments which intern benefited the 2014 folks.
I hope the compensation package gets finalized soon so we can concentrate on the swap timelines.
I did here that "out of use" cars do include those at port because out of use is identical whether cars at home and cars at port. They are at the same rate. 2014 cars that are not at port may be on a deferent scale. Dont shot the messenger.

az audi

I am guessing the compensation package will have a base line, but ultimately a case by case situation and will not be confirmed or presented to an individual until the replacement is complete, so the compensation and acceptance of the car back is final. Personal guess as I can not see how they can agree to a set concession package until they know what the total "damage" is.

Also, not that this means anything one way or another, but manufactures can start using the following MY designation beginning on Jan 2nd of the previous year. Meaning on Jan 2, 2013 they could start using MY2014 if they chose. Obviously, there are many other considerations that come into play, such as updated safety standards, emissions standards, mix of cars and resulting average mileage, etc. Not a decision they could make on a whim, but definitely possible to make an early change. In a year like 2014 to 2015 for the GT3, I can't imagine the tooling change would be that significant.

All said, when I talked to my rep today, she would/could not confirm the MY2015 matter. My dealer says my car dates and information have not changed since Monday, which I posted here.

mcsmcs1

It's not exactly a simple binary choice. Why not just add a two-year extended powertrain warranty yourself to the 2015? The added market value of a 2015 less the cost of the extended warranty, still puts the 2015 thousands ahead of a 2014, stigmatized by future buyers or not.

Nick

I have no doubt that Porsche is genuinely trying to the best they can under very trying circumstances. The compensation package cannot be too difficult. Porsche knows better than anyone how this is impacting what I consider their coveted customer. I suspect 95% of us have owned several Porsche's in the past and still do like myself.

Porsche made a good start by offering loaner cars or daily cash allowance.

I also think that PCNA calling us and trying to hold our hand is a laudable effort and they should be complimented. They are dealing with high strung successful people and we can be very difficult to deal with. But they need to know we are also reasonable so long as there is constant communication. Regular updates are far better than maybe you will hear from us in three weeks.

For an example, are they still testing or have they decided the fix will be implemented. If so, tell us how many engines they can produce daily, how they are going to distribute them and if they have a timetable when the replacement of engines are to be completed. They have one hell of a timetable for building the entire car, shipping and delivery. Would it be too much to ask for their timetable regarding the engines?

I realize this is unprecedented for a proud company like Porsche. They are learning on the fly as to how to handle this with their customers. Where I cut them slack is what they do for us will set precedent for future recall efforts. They need to navigate this not with not only us in mind but for the future.

Z356

Thanks, Jim!

Yes, if they have not yet started going down the production line and been assigned a VIN #, they can delay...until they are set & ready to start MY2015 production. But that means waiting until MY2015 production starts as scheduled - when ever that date is! It changes from year to year, model to model.

That switch-a-do after Zuffenhausen's August vacation hasn't signal new MY for years now! Even my MY1973 911T (vin #9113100035) which was the 35th car built on the first day of MY1973 production and was completed in early July of 1972...way before the summer vacation!

Correct, the start of MY production starts/finishes on different models according to specific plans after taking into consideration upcoming government regulations, corporate marketing plans, etc. As GTEE3 stated, the .2 gt3 deliveries are a case in point. MY2010 .2 997 gt3 RS started deliveries in the US in February of 2010 - rather late for a MY! Just a few months later, MY2011 .2 997 gt3 RS were rushed to completion & US deliveries started in May of 2010!!! For whatever reasons, Porsche was able to start MY2011 production in early Spring of 2010 which allowed them to start deliveries shortly after that! I am sure that many early MY2011 gt3 RS were delivered to European customers before the last of the MY2010's even arrived in the US! But it doesn't matter much since in Europe MY doesn't have the same 'significance' as on this US market. As an aside, in general the European mind set disregards MY implications as we understand them in this market. Europeans 'values' are tied to vehicle registration & in-service dates which are focused on calendar year delivery dates - not MY designations! This needs to be taken into account by PCNA in their 'fight' with PAG over what is the fair 'compensation' for US gt3 customers since normally PAG's European executives are not focused on the peculiar implications (i.e. depreciation hit) in the US market related to Model Year per se. In other words, to a German customer a gt3 built in April (categorized MY2014 for US) vs a gt3 built in June (categorized MY2015 for US) has little significance, especially if there is no difference in content, model, etc.

MY2012 Boxster Spyders had a very limited run and started being produced perhaps as early as March of 2011. The LAST batch of MY2012 Spyders, including my own, were all built in July of 2011! As an interesting aside, no MY2012 Boxster Spyder was ever built within six calendar months of the start of 2012! That is super unusual!

Porsche started producing US market MY2012.5 991's in the late fall/early winter of 2011, yet (for whatever reason) couldn't categorized them as MY2013. So those early adopters (buyers) have taken a terrible depreciation hit because Porsche couldn't manipulate the rules so that this new model could arrive in the States as a MY2013! So the US market had two models of the 911 sold as a MY2012 - the .2 997 and the 991!

Yes, back to Jim Sand's point. If these gt3's have not started production & assigned a VIN #, these slots or allocations can certainly be delayed & pushed back into the MY2015 gt3 production schedule. But the operative word here is 'delayed'. My point is that if Porsche was NOT ready (for whatever reason - regulations, supply bottle-necks, etc) to make March, April or May 991 gt3 production as MY2015 but had them scheduled to be built as MY2014, they simply can't go ahead & built these cars during those months, assigned them the same VIN #'s and just arbitrarily call them MY2015 gt3's!

MY2015's 991 gt3's will start to be produced as soon as they get all their 'ducks lined up' in order to insure they meet MY2015 regulation standards and are properly built as such! I do agree with those of you that say that the earlier PAG is able to make this transition (and push old '14 allocations into '15 production), the less expensive (for PAG) their compensation program becomes for those affected!

Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
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IamSMC

Yeah...bit confused

No disrespect to Willhoit because he appears to be a respected seller of fine Porsches on Rennlist

But his ad doesn't make mention of the current issues regarding engine replacement by Porsche

Paying over list for a used example and having to deal with this issue doesn't make it "rare"...since once Porsche addresses the issue...production will startup again...IMHO...

911rox

Sure it does! How many track capable street cars do you know of that require an engine change to complete their break-in???

IamSMC

Acknowledged... ;-)

sithot

Speaking of warranties I was researching "who had the best corrosion warranties?"

Porsche is 12 YEARS - UNLIMITED MILEAGE.

BION Mercedes is 4 YEARS - 50,000 MILES. This is about the worst in the industry.

BMW, Audi, Volvo, VW and MINI have 12 Unlimited as well.

rubbaman

^^^^^ Thanks Eduardo

Mike in CA

Give it a rest, Chris.....

allans

The reason compensation has not yet been offered is because they don't want existing owners to Lemon Law or force their Dealer to buy back. Future "compensation" is a carrot to string us along.

911rox

Mike, we're having a laugh at the 'unique' marketing tactics being employed, not at you expense...

My car is just as "rare" coz it was the first track capable street car unable to keep its wheels attached for entire break-in period without recall intervention... This is the kind of gift with purchase Porsche have chosen to offer in recent years...

Not looking to rub it in... Just joking to lighten the mood...

Mike in CA

I get it mate....was just remarking on your persistence. Probably just me, my tolerance is wearing thinner.

R.Deacon

Better check time line on the GT3 , as I recall its not 12 yr deal