Stop Sale?
03-11-2014 | 07:30 PM
#1726
Drifting
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 2,261
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From: south Florida
Having owned, tracked, instructed, raced in and competed against virtually every high performance
sports car for decades, IMHO, anyone who believes their are any cars with comparable performance, be they Italian, English, American, German or Japanese, that will be more reliable than a 991 GT3 with a factory new engine is sadly mistaken. Of course it is not perfect. The perfect car has not been built yet, any more than the perfect computer operating system. If and when it ever is, it will be completely obsolete.
Having driven this new GT3 thousands of miles on road and track and considering most every alternative out there, It is the most enjoyable car I’ve ever driven. As much as I resent the deafening silence from the Porsche factory, and my growing frustration, disappointment and anger that it must remain parked, I learned long ago that cutting my nose to spite my face offers little consolation. I’ve waited for a car like this for a very long time - and I have no intention of giving it up.
sports car for decades, IMHO, anyone who believes their are any cars with comparable performance, be they Italian, English, American, German or Japanese, that will be more reliable than a 991 GT3 with a factory new engine is sadly mistaken. Of course it is not perfect. The perfect car has not been built yet, any more than the perfect computer operating system. If and when it ever is, it will be completely obsolete.
Having driven this new GT3 thousands of miles on road and track and considering most every alternative out there, It is the most enjoyable car I’ve ever driven. As much as I resent the deafening silence from the Porsche factory, and my growing frustration, disappointment and anger that it must remain parked, I learned long ago that cutting my nose to spite my face offers little consolation. I’ve waited for a car like this for a very long time - and I have no intention of giving it up.
mannerisms , this isn't a vote of confidence ,but a statement of factual support
for this car, thank you Sir!!!
03-11-2014 | 07:43 PM
#1727
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Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 3,851
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From: La Jolla
The dealers are often last to know. I have more information which I get from the internet than my SA.
Just think if there was no internet and you ordered a GT3.
You get a call from your dealer. "Your car is in but we need to replace the engine." How many of you would take the car?
IMO it is no longer a new car. It is a car that left the factory with had a substantial defect and Porsche instead of replacing the car will say we will fix it and sell it to you as new. I don't you about the rest of you but to me this offensive. I can understand those that had taken delivery would opt to get the engine replaced. I probably would as well.
But I bought a new car and I expect a new car. It would be like my car while being boarded on the ship fell into the ocean Porsche retrieved it, dry it out and said good as new. You have our word. Doesn't that strike you as wrong?
Just think if there was no internet and you ordered a GT3.
You get a call from your dealer. "Your car is in but we need to replace the engine." How many of you would take the car?
IMO it is no longer a new car. It is a car that left the factory with had a substantial defect and Porsche instead of replacing the car will say we will fix it and sell it to you as new. I don't you about the rest of you but to me this offensive. I can understand those that had taken delivery would opt to get the engine replaced. I probably would as well.
But I bought a new car and I expect a new car. It would be like my car while being boarded on the ship fell into the ocean Porsche retrieved it, dry it out and said good as new. You have our word. Doesn't that strike you as wrong?
03-11-2014 | 07:45 PM
#1728
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From: ...PA...
btw, don't do it...the dark side is strong...
03-11-2014 | 07:51 PM
#1729
Pro
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 541
Likes: 32
From: Toronto
Having owned, tracked, instructed, raced in and competed against virtually every high performance
sports car for decades, IMHO, anyone who believes their are any cars with comparable performance, be they Italian, English, American, German or Japanese, that will be more reliable than a 991 GT3 with a factory new engine is sadly mistaken. Of course it is not perfect. The perfect car has not been built yet, any more than the perfect computer operating system. If and when it ever is, it will be completely obsolete.
Having driven this new GT3 thousands of miles on road and track and considering most every alternative out there, It is the most enjoyable car I’ve ever driven. As much as I resent the deafening silence from the Porsche factory, and my growing frustration, disappointment and anger that it must remain parked, I learned long ago that cutting my nose to spite my face offers little consolation. I’ve waited for a car like this for a very long time - and I have no intention of giving it up.
sports car for decades, IMHO, anyone who believes their are any cars with comparable performance, be they Italian, English, American, German or Japanese, that will be more reliable than a 991 GT3 with a factory new engine is sadly mistaken. Of course it is not perfect. The perfect car has not been built yet, any more than the perfect computer operating system. If and when it ever is, it will be completely obsolete.
Having driven this new GT3 thousands of miles on road and track and considering most every alternative out there, It is the most enjoyable car I’ve ever driven. As much as I resent the deafening silence from the Porsche factory, and my growing frustration, disappointment and anger that it must remain parked, I learned long ago that cutting my nose to spite my face offers little consolation. I’ve waited for a car like this for a very long time - and I have no intention of giving it up.
Thanks FastLane. I love how the guys who have the most seat-time in these cars are the most unwavering and patient. That keeps me in this – thanks guys!
03-11-2014 | 07:56 PM
#1730
Race Car
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 3,933
Likes: 9
From: New Jersey
says alot. Remember you have to replace the centerlock hubs etc after a certain guessed mileage. Factor that in as well. Is the new Hub maintainance schedule in the new Owners documents?
Last edited by Gofishracing; 03-11-2014 at 08:49 PM.
03-11-2014 | 08:21 PM
#1731
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Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 883
Likes: 118
From: Houston & Austin
The dealers are often last to know. I have more information which I get from the internet than my SA.
Just think if there was no internet and you ordered a GT3.
You get a call from your dealer. "Your car is in but we need to replace the engine." How many of you would take the car?
IMO it is no longer a new car. It is a car that left the factory with had a substantial defect and Porsche instead of replacing the car will say we will fix it and sell it to you as new. I don't you about the rest of you but to me this offensive. I can understand those that had taken delivery would opt to get the engine replaced. I probably would as well.
But I bought a new car and I expect a new car. It would be like my car while being boarded on the ship fell into the ocean Porsche retrieved it, dry it out and said good as new. You have our word. Doesn't that strike you as wrong?
Just think if there was no internet and you ordered a GT3.
You get a call from your dealer. "Your car is in but we need to replace the engine." How many of you would take the car?
IMO it is no longer a new car. It is a car that left the factory with had a substantial defect and Porsche instead of replacing the car will say we will fix it and sell it to you as new. I don't you about the rest of you but to me this offensive. I can understand those that had taken delivery would opt to get the engine replaced. I probably would as well.
But I bought a new car and I expect a new car. It would be like my car while being boarded on the ship fell into the ocean Porsche retrieved it, dry it out and said good as new. You have our word. Doesn't that strike you as wrong?
In my case, I am waiting to hear from Porsche exactly what their intended solution is before I make my decision as to take the car or pass on it. If it is a complete engine replacement, I will be OK with that, but that is just me. However, if I felt as you do that such an engine replacement would degrade my satisfaction with the vehicle, then I would be passing on the car.
03-11-2014 | 08:28 PM
#1732
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Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,275
Likes: 8
From: Alberta, California
Having owned, tracked, instructed, raced in and competed against virtually every high performance
sports car for decades, IMHO, anyone who believes their are any cars with comparable performance, be they Italian, English, American, German or Japanese, that will be more reliable than a 991 GT3 with a factory new engine is sadly mistaken. Of course it is not perfect. The perfect car has not been built yet, any more than the perfect computer operating system. If and when it ever is, it will be completely obsolete.
Having driven this new GT3 thousands of miles on road and track and considering most every alternative out there, It is the most enjoyable car I’ve ever driven. As much as I resent the deafening silence from the Porsche factory, and my growing frustration, disappointment and anger that it must remain parked, I learned long ago that cutting my nose to spite my face offers little consolation. I’ve waited for a car like this for a very long time - and I have no intention of giving it up.
sports car for decades, IMHO, anyone who believes their are any cars with comparable performance, be they Italian, English, American, German or Japanese, that will be more reliable than a 991 GT3 with a factory new engine is sadly mistaken. Of course it is not perfect. The perfect car has not been built yet, any more than the perfect computer operating system. If and when it ever is, it will be completely obsolete.
Having driven this new GT3 thousands of miles on road and track and considering most every alternative out there, It is the most enjoyable car I’ve ever driven. As much as I resent the deafening silence from the Porsche factory, and my growing frustration, disappointment and anger that it must remain parked, I learned long ago that cutting my nose to spite my face offers little consolation. I’ve waited for a car like this for a very long time - and I have no intention of giving it up.
Similar situation here, but my car was built end of January and due to arrive any day now so I'm not looking at it sitting in the garage. Porsche gave me a call last week to hold my hand but imparted no useful information.
Quite frankly I could care less if they replaced the engine, as long as it's under warranty I'm OK with whatever happens. I'm getting the new car for the PDK which I love, the awesome performance, and new car warranty.
I too have had numerous competition and street cars including the 7.2 cup I have now. I have no attachment to the engine whatsoever if it gets replaced, oh well. It's a wear item like brake pads as far as I'm concerned and if Porsche finds a fault before it gets to me...all the better.
I can't get over all the whining about a (potential) engine change if that's the best way to solve the problem....deal with it, sheesh...
03-11-2014 | 08:34 PM
#1733
Race Director
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 12,127
Likes: 277
From: North Bay Area, CA
Replace all central nuts every 6K miles of track use
Replace rear wheel hubs and bearings every 6K miles of track use
Replace front wheel hubs and bearings every 12K miles of track use
03-11-2014 | 08:39 PM
#1734
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Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 3,851
Likes: 231
From: La Jolla
Nick, i really think you should ask your dealer for your deposit back and find another make of car. With the concerns and misgivings you have had with the GT3 over the past month, I am not sure how you will ever be completely happy with the car, no matter what the "fix" is for the engine problem.
In my case, I am waiting to hear from Porsche exactly what their intended solution is before I make my decision as to take the car or pass on it. If it is a complete engine replacement, I will be OK with that, but that is just me. However, if I felt as you do that such an engine replacement would degrade my satisfaction with the vehicle, then I would be passing on the car.
In my case, I am waiting to hear from Porsche exactly what their intended solution is before I make my decision as to take the car or pass on it. If it is a complete engine replacement, I will be OK with that, but that is just me. However, if I felt as you do that such an engine replacement would degrade my satisfaction with the vehicle, then I would be passing on the car.
03-11-2014 | 09:26 PM
#1736
Nordschleife Master
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 7,804
Likes: 191
From: Bay Area
Having owned, tracked, instructed, raced in and competed against virtually every high performance
sports car for decades, IMHO, anyone who believes their are any cars with comparable performance, be they Italian, English, American, German or Japanese, that will be more reliable than a 991 GT3 with a factory new engine is sadly mistaken. Of course it is not perfect. The perfect car has not been built yet, any more than the perfect computer operating system. If and when it ever is, it will be completely obsolete.
Having driven this new GT3 thousands of miles on road and track and considering most every alternative out there, It is the most enjoyable car I’ve ever driven. As much as I resent the deafening silence from the Porsche factory, and my growing frustration, disappointment and anger that it must remain parked, I learned long ago that cutting my nose to spite my face offers little consolation. I’ve waited for a car like this for a very long time - and I have no intention of giving it up.
sports car for decades, IMHO, anyone who believes their are any cars with comparable performance, be they Italian, English, American, German or Japanese, that will be more reliable than a 991 GT3 with a factory new engine is sadly mistaken. Of course it is not perfect. The perfect car has not been built yet, any more than the perfect computer operating system. If and when it ever is, it will be completely obsolete.
Having driven this new GT3 thousands of miles on road and track and considering most every alternative out there, It is the most enjoyable car I’ve ever driven. As much as I resent the deafening silence from the Porsche factory, and my growing frustration, disappointment and anger that it must remain parked, I learned long ago that cutting my nose to spite my face offers little consolation. I’ve waited for a car like this for a very long time - and I have no intention of giving it up.
Seriously, that is quite an endorsement.
The dealers are often last to know. I have more information which I get from the internet than my SA.
Just think if there was no internet and you ordered a GT3.
You get a call from your dealer. "Your car is in but we need to replace the engine." How many of you would take the car?
IMO it is no longer a new car. It is a car that left the factory with had a substantial defect and Porsche instead of replacing the car will say we will fix it and sell it to you as new. I don't you about the rest of you but to me this offensive. I can understand those that had taken delivery would opt to get the engine replaced. I probably would as well.
But I bought a new car and I expect a new car. It would be like my car while being boarded on the ship fell into the ocean Porsche retrieved it, dry it out and said good as new. You have our word. Doesn't that strike you as wrong?
Just think if there was no internet and you ordered a GT3.
You get a call from your dealer. "Your car is in but we need to replace the engine." How many of you would take the car?
IMO it is no longer a new car. It is a car that left the factory with had a substantial defect and Porsche instead of replacing the car will say we will fix it and sell it to you as new. I don't you about the rest of you but to me this offensive. I can understand those that had taken delivery would opt to get the engine replaced. I probably would as well.
But I bought a new car and I expect a new car. It would be like my car while being boarded on the ship fell into the ocean Porsche retrieved it, dry it out and said good as new. You have our word. Doesn't that strike you as wrong?
03-11-2014 | 09:44 PM
#1737
Pro
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 570
Likes: 24
From: Midwest
Very well said...
Similar situation here, but my car was built end of January and due to arrive any day now so I'm not looking at it sitting in the garage. Porsche gave me a call last week to hold my hand but imparted no useful information.
Quite frankly I could care less if they replaced the engine, as long as it's under warranty I'm OK with whatever happens. I'm getting the new car for the PDK which I love, the awesome performance, and new car warranty.
I too have had numerous competition and street cars including the 7.2 cup I have now. I have no attachment to the engine whatsoever if it gets replaced, oh well. It's a wear item like brake pads as far as I'm concerned and if Porsche finds a fault before it gets to me...all the better.
I can't get over all the whining about a (potential) engine change if that's the best way to solve the problem....deal with it, sheesh...
Similar situation here, but my car was built end of January and due to arrive any day now so I'm not looking at it sitting in the garage. Porsche gave me a call last week to hold my hand but imparted no useful information.
Quite frankly I could care less if they replaced the engine, as long as it's under warranty I'm OK with whatever happens. I'm getting the new car for the PDK which I love, the awesome performance, and new car warranty.
I too have had numerous competition and street cars including the 7.2 cup I have now. I have no attachment to the engine whatsoever if it gets replaced, oh well. It's a wear item like brake pads as far as I'm concerned and if Porsche finds a fault before it gets to me...all the better.
I can't get over all the whining about a (potential) engine change if that's the best way to solve the problem....deal with it, sheesh...
03-11-2014 | 09:53 PM
#1738
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From: Wishing I Was At The Track
03-11-2014 | 10:19 PM
#1740
Nordschleife Master
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 7,804
Likes: 191
From: Bay Area
You are right at this particular snapshot in time. A year from now people aren't give to give a sh*t, assuming the new engines work just fine. However, if you plan on selling the car as soon as you take delivery, you may have a point. I don't think many people are doing that, though....