Consolidated 991RS thread
03-31-2014, 03:13 PM
#496
1964: 2.0L
1970: 2.2L
1972: 2.4L
1973: 2.7L
1975: 3.0L Turbo
1978: 3.3L Turbo
1989: 3.6L
1992: 3.8L
2011: 4.0L
This doesn't mean engine size will continue to increase in the future, but it does I think say something about Porsche's design philosophy.
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03-31-2014, 03:31 PM
#497
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How do we know these are photos of the next 3RS? Could we perhaps be looking at a "Red Herring"? Were the photos officially released from Porsche as the next 3RS. The next iteration better be bakeing up 500+ BHP just to stay competitive with other offerings; but by that same token it has never been about continuously building more powerful engines. And over the years and continued improvement that has happened. But it's more about getting the power to the ground with as little loss as possible through the running gear. When I do the math it seems that out of most other car
Could it perhaps be, say, a new GT2? For some reason the side vents on the RS don't Jive with me unless Porsche is truly going forced induction for so much "Reliable Power". I just cannot see Porsche up the power on an NA engine without invcreasin displacsment at the same time. And even at that what are we looking at 4.0 - 4.2(maybe), and that is a huge maybe. I just can't see it in their design philosophy, just to continously increase displacement.
Could it perhaps be, say, a new GT2? For some reason the side vents on the RS don't Jive with me unless Porsche is truly going forced induction for so much "Reliable Power". I just cannot see Porsche up the power on an NA engine without invcreasin displacsment at the same time. And even at that what are we looking at 4.0 - 4.2(maybe), and that is a huge maybe. I just can't see it in their design philosophy, just to continously increase displacement.
usually the same bhp ... I dont see why Porsche would change this for such
a limited production run, although if the MSRP rumors are correct they may have done so to motivate a 50k+ premium
03-31-2014, 03:32 PM
#498
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Back in 1963 a guy names Hans Mezger designed a motor for Porsche's new sports car. It displaced 2.0 liters, but he was told to leave "a little margin" for increasing displacement for future upgrade potential. Of course an old school German engineer's idea of a "little" margin is perhaps more than most, and the motor grew slightly over time:
1964: 2.0L
1970: 2.2L
1972: 2.4L
1972: 2.7L
1975: 3.0L Turbo
1978: 3.3L Turbo
1989: 3.6L
1992: 3.8L
2011: 4.0L
This doesn't mean engine size will continue to increase in the future, but it does I think say something about Porsche's design philosophy.
1964: 2.0L
1970: 2.2L
1972: 2.4L
1972: 2.7L
1975: 3.0L Turbo
1978: 3.3L Turbo
1989: 3.6L
1992: 3.8L
2011: 4.0L
This doesn't mean engine size will continue to increase in the future, but it does I think say something about Porsche's design philosophy.
03-31-2014, 03:57 PM
#499
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Larry: My info ( several sources I trust) suggest 4.0 though only a modest uplift in HP. Evidently the current GT3 debacle could change a variety of things on the RS, but it is definitely a higher output version of the GT3 engine.
I do not think they will want to launch without a very good story given the brand damage from the recall. Hoping that the current backlog will not push the RS back too far, ( would love June 2015) but no idea yet.
I do not think they will want to launch without a very good story given the brand damage from the recall. Hoping that the current backlog will not push the RS back too far, ( would love June 2015) but no idea yet.
03-31-2014, 04:14 PM
#500
My dealer principle just got back from the big powwow in Barcelona last week and the word is the RS will b released in September 2014. That's all I got; no specs...
Told my SA that as compensation for my GT3 delay, I'll take an RS at the 2014 GT3 price. He said he'll get right on that
Told my SA that as compensation for my GT3 delay, I'll take an RS at the 2014 GT3 price. He said he'll get right on that
current gt3s will be repaired in order of initial delivery, with no special treatment, 918 buyers, or otherwise. if car has not left assembly line, it will be a MY2015.
suppposedly, previously confirmed MY2015 allocations not yet gone to a build phase will not be delayed as should retain their speculated build time.
take it for for it is. understand much of this has been addressed in other posts.
03-31-2014, 04:58 PM
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heard the same thing. sept (frankfurt) debut, Q1 2015 first deliveries, caveate being current debacle does not get worse. RS expected to be killer.
current gt3s will be repaired in order of initial delivery, with no special treatment, 918 buyers, or otherwise. if car has not left assembly line, it will be a MY2015.
suppposedly, previously confirmed MY2015 allocations not yet gone to a build phase will not be delayed as should retain their speculated build time.
take it for for it is. understand much of this has been addressed in other posts.
current gt3s will be repaired in order of initial delivery, with no special treatment, 918 buyers, or otherwise. if car has not left assembly line, it will be a MY2015.
suppposedly, previously confirmed MY2015 allocations not yet gone to a build phase will not be delayed as should retain their speculated build time.
take it for for it is. understand much of this has been addressed in other posts.
The pictures clearly show the GT3 RS (it's a NA car with insane wings, what else should it be?!).
I think Porsche will go for more hp than in the GT3 (to upset the higher drag and to make it the fastest thing with a rear engine ever...) and due to the fact that the GT3 seems to be "on the edge" a bit more displacement seems possible.
Would be great to see the car in Goodwood.
03-31-2014, 05:42 PM
#504
There is no Frankfurt Motor Show in 2014...
The pictures clearly show the GT3 RS (it's a NA car with insane wings, what else should it be?!).
I think Porsche will go for more hp than in the GT3 (to upset the higher drag and to make it the fastest thing with a rear engine ever...) and due to the fact that the GT3 seems to be "on the edge" a bit more displacement seems possible.
Would be great to see the car in Goodwood.
The pictures clearly show the GT3 RS (it's a NA car with insane wings, what else should it be?!).
I think Porsche will go for more hp than in the GT3 (to upset the higher drag and to make it the fastest thing with a rear engine ever...) and due to the fact that the GT3 seems to be "on the edge" a bit more displacement seems possible.
Would be great to see the car in Goodwood.
03-31-2014, 05:50 PM
#505
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There is no Frankfurt Motor Show in 2014...
The pictures clearly show the GT3 RS (it's a NA car with insane wings, what else should it be?!).
I think Porsche will go for more hp than in the GT3 (to upset the higher drag and to make it the fastest thing with a rear engine ever...) and due to the fact that the GT3 seems to be "on the edge" a bit more displacement seems possible.
Would be great to see the car in Goodwood.
The pictures clearly show the GT3 RS (it's a NA car with insane wings, what else should it be?!).
I think Porsche will go for more hp than in the GT3 (to upset the higher drag and to make it the fastest thing with a rear engine ever...) and due to the fact that the GT3 seems to be "on the edge" a bit more displacement seems possible.
Would be great to see the car in Goodwood.
04-01-2014, 07:05 PM
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04-03-2014, 07:09 PM
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Yeah, it is weird. Not sure how many realize it, but BMW (who makes MANY models and variants) does not make a single normally aspirated car or SUV anymore, including M. Strange New World...