Consolidated 991RS thread
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TPMS with race circuit mode?
No mention of black wheel option but assumed given availability on base GT3. Fingers crossed they go with Satin over Gloss to differentiate.
At this point leaning towards GT Silver. A color option always at the top of my list but could never stomach paying the mark-up. Add to that Lava Orange will dominate and doesn't play well in conservative Northeast.
No mention of black wheel option but assumed given availability on base GT3. Fingers crossed they go with Satin over Gloss to differentiate.
At this point leaning towards GT Silver. A color option always at the top of my list but could never stomach paying the mark-up. Add to that Lava Orange will dominate and doesn't play well in conservative Northeast.
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Nice to finally see the details of the 991 GT3RS coming to light, guess we will know everything in a couple of weeks.
Personally I still like the lines of my 991 GT3 over the new RS and the performance difference seems pretty small for the likely premium.
Ryan
Personally I still like the lines of my 991 GT3 over the new RS and the performance difference seems pretty small for the likely premium.
Ryan
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I feel comfortable pulling up to an elegant place or a racetrack in my GT3, but the RS only looks right on a track.
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Pete its always great watching you work. Of course I missed the important difference of 8 cylinders vs 6 to spread the capacity and thus the bore and stroke over.
So the piston speed between the 991 GT3 & RS are the same. We are also unofficially aware they share the same rod fastener so PAG must be confident they are durable at this speed but obviously they do not want to push the boat out at this stage.
The RS as always is more than a sum of its parts/improvements over the base GT3. Where as alot of the RS improvements can be retrofitted to the GT3 like door furniture, interior trim, tinted headlights and plexiglass windows the one thing this car has in spades is down force, wider track and handling. I have no doubt it will improve the GT3 Ringtime between 10-15s and become the new benchmark GT car eclipsing 7.2 4.0RS and all before it...one thing is sure - AP wasnt wrong when he said its the most extreme change yet - its akin t the 996 GT3RS over the 996.2 GT3 (at east in ROW trim) IMO.
I cant wait to see the car in the flesh. Im very curious about the Lava Orange for my upcoming GT4 order and must say the Purple has me stumped too!
Here are the pictures leaked 13 months ago on this board form a patent application? Obviously we now know this as GT Silver and the cage looks like it will be a cost option. Interesting how the steering wheels, seats and every single little detail of that picture were correct to what we know now - obviously this has been an incredibly long gestation for this product. AP is going to have to dig deep, he's probably long forgotten they have an RS LOL!
So the piston speed between the 991 GT3 & RS are the same. We are also unofficially aware they share the same rod fastener so PAG must be confident they are durable at this speed but obviously they do not want to push the boat out at this stage.
The RS as always is more than a sum of its parts/improvements over the base GT3. Where as alot of the RS improvements can be retrofitted to the GT3 like door furniture, interior trim, tinted headlights and plexiglass windows the one thing this car has in spades is down force, wider track and handling. I have no doubt it will improve the GT3 Ringtime between 10-15s and become the new benchmark GT car eclipsing 7.2 4.0RS and all before it...one thing is sure - AP wasnt wrong when he said its the most extreme change yet - its akin t the 996 GT3RS over the 996.2 GT3 (at east in ROW trim) IMO.
I cant wait to see the car in the flesh. Im very curious about the Lava Orange for my upcoming GT4 order and must say the Purple has me stumped too!
Here are the pictures leaked 13 months ago on this board form a patent application? Obviously we now know this as GT Silver and the cage looks like it will be a cost option. Interesting how the steering wheels, seats and every single little detail of that picture were correct to what we know now - obviously this has been an incredibly long gestation for this product. AP is going to have to dig deep, he's probably long forgotten they have an RS LOL!
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I suppose it's just a very direct push towards purpose built cars. If we want bastards, we buy dedicated track/race cars. This, of course, only makes sense, but I will miss the rhetoric and analysis of road cars that truly excel.
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TPMS with race circuit mode?
No mention of black wheel option but assumed given availability on base GT3. Fingers crossed they go with Satin over Gloss to differentiate.
At this point leaning towards GT Silver. A color option always at the top of my list but could never stomach paying the mark-up. Add to that Lava Orange will dominate and doesn't play well in conservative Northeast.
No mention of black wheel option but assumed given availability on base GT3. Fingers crossed they go with Satin over Gloss to differentiate.
At this point leaning towards GT Silver. A color option always at the top of my list but could never stomach paying the mark-up. Add to that Lava Orange will dominate and doesn't play well in conservative Northeast.
Yes TMPS with race circuit function is standard on 991 GT3.
I believe they will offer black wheel options. Hopefully matt black as the shiny black doesnt looks as good IMO.
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Maybe a little too much is made of the 9,000rpm redline. Yes, it's a nice number and sounds good but for maximizing performance....
Posted this chart almost two years ago. Both 997 RS 4.0 and 991 GT3 produce max power at 8,250, and I suspect 991 RS peak power will come at or near the same level. RS 4.0 left 250rpm overrun to redline; 991 GT3 750rpm. How much is needed to optimize the powerband?
Would it have been nice if it was 9k? Sure. Is it going to matter much? Doubt it. As I and a few others have been saying, in terms of the motor the torque bump is where the real gains will come on road and track.
Posted this chart almost two years ago. Both 997 RS 4.0 and 991 GT3 produce max power at 8,250, and I suspect 991 RS peak power will come at or near the same level. RS 4.0 left 250rpm overrun to redline; 991 GT3 750rpm. How much is needed to optimize the powerband?
Would it have been nice if it was 9k? Sure. Is it going to matter much? Doubt it. As I and a few others have been saying, in terms of the motor the torque bump is where the real gains will come on road and track.
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Power isn't everything. Despite that chart making it look like the 4.0 would be significantly faster than the 991, it isn't. If anything, in a straight line, the 991 is a little quicker. Another example. The 991 GT3 manages to keep up with the 650hp/650tq Z06 in a straight line as well.
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Nizer,
I agree that the torque increase will be the biggest performance gain of the 4.0L RS engine. The peak torque increase of 14-15 ft-lb peak torque is relatively modest, but the effective torque curve could be quite wide in the 991RS, as it was in the old 4.0.
Why does your chart above show the 997 RS 4.0 engine to make about 355 of peak torque, when the old RS 4.0 only made 339 ft-lbs of torque? (same as the upcoming RS)
I agree that the torque increase will be the biggest performance gain of the 4.0L RS engine. The peak torque increase of 14-15 ft-lb peak torque is relatively modest, but the effective torque curve could be quite wide in the 991RS, as it was in the old 4.0.
Why does your chart above show the 997 RS 4.0 engine to make about 355 of peak torque, when the old RS 4.0 only made 339 ft-lbs of torque? (same as the upcoming RS)
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