Consolidated 991RS thread
02-20-2015, 06:24 PM
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The 993 GT2 is hardcore. Spring rates were straight off of the RSR of the day. In my experience doesn't feel as hard as you'd think largely because tires still had sidewalls back then. Much "heavier" feel than the RS, perhaps in part because of the wider rubber and alignment settings. I don't think it's a great data point to use, however, because it was essentially a pure homologation special that they only made ~50 of. I think Porsche in part scratches its head every time cars like it are prized, because the bulk of their market is so clearly going the other direction. I don't know about that... You don't buy an early 911 today because it's fast or easy to drive. Instead you buy it because for the experience, the fact that it's relatively uncompromising, and in part because of its reputation for being tricky to master. Virtually every time I look at depreciation, the edgier and less practical the car the more it ends up being worth. A 2000 BMW Z3 M coupe is highly flawed and tail-happy, terribly impractical, slow (only 240 hp) but it's worth up to 2x the same year M5 or M3. The 2002 is similar speed to the M3 or 5 but it's far more expensive today, 2-3 times, despite starting as by far the cheapest. That's certainly not because it's easy or fast- it's focused and hugely involving in part because it's hard to drive. 930 values are going insane largely because they are "widow makers" I suspect. The 996 TT is "easy" and fast, especially with tiptronic. Didn't do it much good on the value front, did it? It'd argue the earlier GT3s were clearly closer to the 930, the 991 GT3 has moved the model towards the 996 TT. We'll see where values go, but I wouldn't buy one for an investment, put it that way...
New Porsches like the 991 GT3 + RS + GT4 represent such great value With the above as a backdrop. Cars you can really use and drive, put miles on and which aren't irreplaceable. In a world where most investments including property have almost doubled these last 6 years new cars have effectively become cheaper.
Will the 991 GT3 values go the way of 996 TT tip rather than 930s? Possibly. Who cares we live in the herd and now, these cars are remarkable value for the performance and fun they offer, reliability, warranty etc - use them up and enjoy them wether it be GT3 or 4 or RS in the hands of the initiated they are even more stunning in what they can achieve than the novice!! Who wants to be bonnet polishing a 930 on the weekend vs going for a back road blast with a group of Tarmac rally veterans? Plenty of time to get old and by a garage queen to dribble over in our dotage. Carpe diem I say likes short buy a RS or GT4 and design a life time bucket list experience around it - pick it up in Europe and spend z month or two driving the mountains - drive the roads it was built for enjoy it and put some road rash on it - ta can't do that easily with a $200,000 1970S you bought from the collector down the road which you are too scared to ship to Europe and put the mileage on...
The RS is going to be awesome. But I don't envy a single owner with one unless they are getting out there and enjoying every opportunity to really drive the damn thing - otherwise it's just a bag of bolts and if you want to make money by property or business or something I reckon...:-)
02-20-2015, 06:28 PM
#4639
Yes, and the 964 3.8 RS is the most marvelous beast of all....
http://www.classicdriver.com/en/arti...ion-dollar-964
http://www.classicdriver.com/en/arti...ion-dollar-964
8,800 RPM! So they stroked it, but couldn't quite keep the 9k redline because the piston speeds were getting out of hand.
Keeps rear wheel steering.
Carbon hood and front fenders.
Magnesium roof, and forged aluminum rear fenders if I'm reading it right.
Polycarb rear and front side windows.
Ti muffler.
Should be light...
Keeps struts up front, no double wishbones. Lists heim joints in the suspension front and rear- it's gonna be stiff.
02-20-2015, 06:28 PM
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8,800rpm max engine speed. Well there's a change.
They claim to have in fact widened front track, assuming this is above and beyond the wheel width increase. Helper springs in the rear. Ball-jointed front and rear. CFP hood, trunk, and front fenders.
Looks like Lava Orange is non-standard upcharge color.
Polycarb side and rear windows for the lucky ROW b*st*rds.
They claim to have in fact widened front track, assuming this is above and beyond the wheel width increase. Helper springs in the rear. Ball-jointed front and rear. CFP hood, trunk, and front fenders.
Looks like Lava Orange is non-standard upcharge color.
Polycarb side and rear windows for the lucky ROW b*st*rds.
02-20-2015, 06:42 PM
#4645
Agree on the value of the GT cars if you use them. I complain and wish they'd keep making more hardcore cars, but only to a point- I have a deposit on a GT4 for similar reasons. And don't misunderstand, I expect the GT3 values to do well, just not as well as the RS or more hardcore cars would...
02-20-2015, 07:03 PM
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02-20-2015, 07:13 PM
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Yup, thanks. Meant change from 991 GT3 base in terms of redline. Same reason 500hp figure shouldn't have been a surprise/disappointment to so many. Fact is, RS 4.0 was pretty tweaked out as many knew.