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Old 09-13-2014, 11:34 AM
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Whoa, 500 and 918 owners have 1st dibs. There were what, 190 or so 918s sold in the US? So about 300 RS cars for the mere mortals to fight for? And those allocations most likely destined for the bigger markets? Could the 991 RS then rival the 4.0 in collectible status because of its inevitable rarity?
Old 09-13-2014, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Tre
Whoa, 500 and 918 owners have 1st dibs. There were what, 190 or so 918s sold in the US? So about 300 RS cars for the mere mortals to fight for? And those allocations most likely destined for the bigger markets? Could the 991 RS then rival the 4.0 in collectible status because of its inevitable rarity?
Probably not a 4.0 competitor in collectibility, 600 4.0s made world wide and last manual metzger. But still very exclusive. Would be interesting to know how many 991rs they plan to make worldwide? I'm hoping to get my hands on one and drive it like I stole it!
Old 09-13-2014, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Tre
Whoa, 500 and 918 owners have 1st dibs. There were what, 190 or so 918s sold in the US? So about 300 RS cars for the mere mortals to fight for? And those allocations most likely destined for the bigger markets? Could the 991 RS then rival the 4.0 in collectible status because of its inevitable rarity?
Why do you assume every 918 owner will want an RS?
Old 09-14-2014, 12:41 AM
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How many CGT owners have RSs?
Not the same target market
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
Why do you assume every 918 owner will want an RS?
That was my thought too. I'm not worried about 918 owners snapping up 991 RS. I think those "dual" buyers are few and far between.
Old 09-14-2014, 01:24 AM
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That's why I said "about". I guess I should've said "up to" so it didn't seem like my approximation was concrete. Sorry, public school education from Hawaii
Old 09-14-2014, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
Why do you assume every 918 owner will want an RS?
Originally Posted by pmpsch
^+500

How many CGT owners have RSs?
Not the same target market
Originally Posted by rockitman
That was my thought too. I'm not worried about 918 owners snapping up 991 RS. I think those "dual" buyers are few and far between.
Originally Posted by Tre
That's why I said "about". I guess I should've said "up to" so it didn't seem like my approximation was concrete. Sorry, public school education from Hawaii
While such owners may not want an RS for themselves, the fact that they can order and are guaranteed an RS will, without a doubt, factor into the equation and especially so if the RS production numbers are scarce. This is what I have seen happen with 918/GT3: the dealer will approach the 918 buyer and ask them to order a car. The dealership is then assured an allocation (in the case of the GT3, it was an extra allocation). The car arrives but the 918 owner never intended to take delivery. The dealer then puts it up for sale with a , say, $20K premium. The 918 owner never pays anything, just paperwork. In Porsche's eyes, the car was sold to its intended customer. At the DMV, the person who actually buys the car gets registered as a first owner. If the RS is going to be that rare, they can sell all of them at that premium. Typically, the dealership splits/shares the $20K(+/-) with the 918 owner, which I find amusing. Another bonus to the 918 owner: PAG adds another purchase to their list, further solidifying their buying power, which keeps them on the list of rare offerings.
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^ Seeing this happen as well. Dealer will "display" the GT3 for sale with a delivery date of 6 months (required by Porsche AG).
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PCNA was making a very HARD sales pitch for 918's around March when they were very worried about 918 sales. One thing they began to offer as incentive, was 918 "status" basically giving any 918 buyer anything they wanted from then on with Porsche. Meaning first allocations of new cars, extra paint to sample options etc.. they were telling potencial buyers that they could buy their way to the VIP list, so its no surprise to me that 918 buyers are getting first dibs.
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Originally Posted by mobonic
PCNA was making a very HARD sales pitch for 918's around March when they were very worried about 918 sales. One thing they began to offer as incentive, was 918 "status" basically giving any 918 buyer anything they wanted from then on with Porsche. Meaning first allocations of new cars, extra paint to sample options etc.. they were telling potencial buyers that they could buy their way to the VIP list, so its no surprise to me that 918 buyers are getting first dibs.
Porsche has been offering the VIP program for 918 first owners since at least 2013 and perhaps earlier. Here is what I wrote on it on December of 2013 after I came back from a 918 test drive at The Thermal Club near Palm Springs, CA:

'There are certain 'benefits' to being a first buyer of the 918 from Porsche. The following was posted at another website (6 Speed) by Rossii about a conversation he had with Daniel Eastman in June of this year:

"Besides the car itself he talked about Porsche's VIP program for 918. For those who buy and keep the car for 6 months have first right of refusal for any new car for 3 years. For 3 years they will have 10 years. This includes specialty cars and even GT Cup cars if they want. They have sold 50 GT3's in a 24hr period with this program. They will also have access to very exclusive events. This will only be available to the first owners."

So 918 initial ownership does have its privileges!
'

https://rennlist.com/forums/porsche-...l#post10953558

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Old 09-14-2014, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by mobonic
PCNA was making a very HARD sales pitch for 918's around March when they were very worried about 918 sales. One thing they began to offer as incentive, was 918 "status" basically giving any 918 buyer anything they wanted from then on with Porsche. Meaning first allocations of new cars, extra paint to sample options etc.. they were telling potencial buyers that they could buy their way to the VIP list, so its no surprise to me that 918 buyers are getting first dibs.
The future doesn't look so bright for us schmucks who can't afford a 918 and it's VIP benefits.

This is the first I've heard of extra PTS options. What else can they benefit from, if this really is an avenue the 918 buyer can exploit? Perhaps the option for an interior other than black for their RS, or the 918 steering wheel, or...?
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Originally Posted by Zeus
The future doesn't look so bright for us schmucks
The future has been never bright for schmucks...but you seem somehow different Zeus.

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Old 09-14-2014, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Z356
The future has been never bright for schmucks...but you seem somehow different Zeus.
You are right on so many levels, Eduardo. Except for people who get lucky in general. Like someone making $8/hour who wins the Powerball lottery. If I didn't have bad luck, I wouldn't have any luck at all. Maybe I should go buy some lottery tickets...
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I went to a similar 918 party. You would be better off financially to just pay the premium for the RS.

I suspect the first year depreciation on a 918 will be eye watering. Lol.
Old 09-14-2014, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SamFromTX
While such owners may not want an RS for themselves, the fact that they can order and are guaranteed an RS will, without a doubt, factor into the equation and especially so if the RS production numbers are scarce. This is what I have seen happen with 918/GT3: the dealer will approach the 918 buyer and ask them to order a car. The dealership is then assured an allocation (in the case of the GT3, it was an extra allocation). The car arrives but the 918 owner never intended to take delivery. The dealer then puts it up for sale with a , say, $20K premium. The 918 owner never pays anything, just paperwork. In Porsche's eyes, the car was sold to its intended customer. At the DMV, the person who actually buys the car gets registered as a first owner. If the RS is going to be that rare, they can sell all of them at that premium. Typically, the dealership splits/shares the $20K(+/-) with the 918 owner, which I find amusing. Another bonus to the 918 owner: PAG adds another purchase to their list, further solidifying their buying power, which keeps them on the list of rare offerings.
How many times have you seen this happen from a dealer? Also typically on "bonus" allocations in the above scenario for 918 owners, PAG can do a registration check to make sure the car was registered to the same person as was reported to Porsche when car was delivered. If the name does not match typically the dealership then is audited further and the purchase docs must be submitted to PAG and reviewed and if they deem the sale was not to the actual 918 owner Porsche can then take or charge back the dealer a future allocation of same model or if none are available possible a future limited production car, otherwise this would be a runaway train by dealers.


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