Brian Himmelman

Agree these are keepers ... GT3 Touring lightest spec (mods Dundon headers and intake, RS titanium center, lithium battery, polycarbonate rear glass, total -80lbs) and stock 675LT

WernerE

What part of 1. Emissions 2. Fuel Economy 3. Noise 4. Electronic controls 5. Safety mandates cause the car to grow in size? I'm not convinced safety mandates are making the car bigger. If AP is really that guy, he's losing the argument w/designers and engineers.

maroli

Fair enough but if we're talking regression to the mean, the stock market will regress to a historical average which is still an annual gain of 7-10% (depending on the window of time you look at it and whether you include dividend reinvestment) whereas for GT3s. it is still mild (compared to normal cars) depreciation. The economic system is inherently self-correcting - even without fed intervention, runaway inflation will eventually right itself through economic destruction and a decrease in the creation of new credit (Japan anyone?). If the argument is that GT cars will be highly sought after as everything electrifies and will one day be worth what an air cooled 911 is today, then sure - that's a viable argument. However, it's not exactly coincidence that random asset bubbles have sprouted up everywhere as a result of easy monetary policy - real estate, dogecoin, lumber etc etc. Cars have got caught in that spillover effect plus some more from the chip shortage. But real estate is already slowing as more people list their properties since prices got so high, doge / bit coin are half of what they were trading at as people realized gains, and the NASDAQ is at the exact same level it first reached in February. Meanwhile, there are now 68 manual GT3s on sale vs 15 from a couple months ago. Don't get me wrong, like most people on this forum, I'd only benefit from runaway asset inflation but I just think the evidence is pretty clear that the inflation is transient as opposed to a secular change. Cheers.

Dub911

Are they the stock floor mats in the touring?

GrantG

AP doesn’t really have anything to do with the development of the Carrera/Turbo models. So, he only inherits their platform and their size. There is no opportunity to shrink the platform. The fact that the larger 992 GT3 gained no significant mass is his work...

Porsche444

And yet, I have have amazingly great 718 GT4 for sale for a while, 3k below msrp and not sold yet, it’s crazy that .2 are going for 40-60k over msrp.

well, if anyone needs chalk manual Gt4
https://rennlist.com/forums/market/1245771

Brian Himmelman

OEM carbon mats

Skullbussa

Why?

ipse dixit

The 992 Carrera models did not gain significant weight over the 991 series, either. Only about 120 lb.

GrantG

I would call that significant - much more than GT3

911dude41

991, 991 turbo, and 991 gt3 sections all have value threads at the top lol

Maverick787

Ummmmm like your pair.

Upscale Audio

I don't get it. I just did a search for 2014 to 2020 GT3 and GT3RS on Autotrader and there are 253 available. And that's only on Autotrader. That's a lot of cars.

Rod27

surpassing GT2RS prices now.....

https://www.paulmillerporsche.com/us...gurus_listings

C2Spin

Now, that's funny. Or should I say insane. I guess if you hit GameStop at the right time and/or Bitcoin and are flush with cash, go for it. I, also, wonder with tax implications coming for estates et. al., if folks will sell now and take the tax hit, buy some toys, then reinvest? Wow, that was too deep and I don't care.

Now, back to driving the RS 1,000 miles per month. All fun and no stress about 'value'.