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Old 05-31-2021, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by WP0
Yes, I've heard it recommended that you should buy as many as you can, as an investment for a retirement fund. Everyone knows that used cars only go up in value over time!
Ask the guy who paid $18k for his 1962 Ferrari 250 GTO and then sold it at auction for $48.5 Million :-)
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Originally Posted by WP0
You remind me of a guy famous for a quote in 1929: Yale economist Irving Fisher was jubilant. “Stock prices have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau,” he rejoiced in the pages of the New York Times.
Key is in this inflationary environment. As they say, time in the market beats timing the market. The correction years from now may or may not still result in regular asset and equity prices lower than what they are today. Don't need to be an economist to realize that.
Old 05-31-2021, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by n2cars
Ask the guy who paid $18k for his 1962 Ferrari 250 GTO and then sold it at auction for $48.5 Million :-)
The guy who sold is very unlikely the original owner. Many, if not most, such sales are from estates or collections that are being broken up upon death of the owner(s). Many others examples have seen multiple owners over decades along with restoration at exorbitant cost. Overall cars are very poor investment instruments for average to above average income earners seeking consistent wealth building.
Old 05-31-2021, 06:12 PM
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But most investments don’t sing at 9k RPM
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Originally Posted by n2cars
Ask the guy who paid $18k for his 1962 Ferrari 250 GTO and then sold it at auction for $48.5 Million :-)
how about the guy who bought a Ford Pinto or Dodge Volare?
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Originally Posted by Chris-911
I agree with this and see that I’m not alone. I will also add that I’m not old (is 40 old?) and I’m not a fan of the quick “digitization” of cars the past couple years (LCD screens being pushed everywhere), and also the particulate filter/ECO nannies. Everyone I personally know who is into cars has found older cars more desirable, because of these reasons.
I'll take a 992 GT3 over a 991.2 GT3 any day.
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Old 05-31-2021, 11:51 PM
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Best place recommended to sell a GT3? Cars.com or Autotrader.com? Consignment at the Dealership where I purchased it? Rennlist?
Old 05-31-2021, 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueGT3
Best place recommended to sell a GT3? Cars.com or Autotrader.com? Consignment at the Dealership where I purchased it? Rennlist?
Most dealers charge 8-10% fee, so that’s a hefty fee. CarGurus is pretty good, I think the largest and easiest site. But I would list it rennlist and see if one of the guys here buys it, you can make good deal and get best $$$ money out of it. Try both is best
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Originally Posted by BlueGT3
Best place recommended to sell a GT3? Cars.com or Autotrader.com? Consignment at the Dealership where I purchased it? Rennlist?
if it's a manual transmission with low miles try BaT.
Old 06-01-2021, 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Suitcase
Nobody talks about driving anymore. And showing up at C&C once a month with your "one of a kind" PTS, 3 different colors of interior stitching order or exercising your rare RS 3 laps around an industrial park where your collection is stored is not driving in my book. Regardless of Covid, inventory shortages, chip shortages and the whatever who pays +$100k for some pretentious SUV, the direction of Porsche (and the world) is running contrary to the basic premise of why we like this in the first place. Driving. As the cars become more automated and less engaging to drive, there is some percentage of us that likes to shift the car, appreciates "lighter is better" and doesn't want a self driving car. Maybe it's about freedom...maybe not. The escalating price of a GT3 Touring is well deserved. The production is relatively limited, and regardless of it's monetary value, it's a 500 HP, NA, MT 911 without a wing. It's a great car to drive. And now, may be the last chance to purchase a relatively low mileage, unmolested car. Much of this is Tulips but Tourings', R's, 993 C2S are not...just to name a few.
Wells said. Whilst many gt3 owners are tripping over themselves to sell their GT3s and GT3Ts, I'm doing the opposite. I'm driving it daily. I'm modifying it. I'm making it my own. It's the best car I've ever had even if I lose the stoplight drags with Teslas. It gets the right attention (from true car people who know what it is) and appreciated by most of the population (women tend to like the wingless 911s more than other cars I've found - many women I know... think supercars are their owners' wishful compensation for anatomic inadequacies). I have an amazing 675LT I specially spec'd and it's a wonderful car I hope to keep forever, but the 911 Touring is the one I love the most.

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Old 06-01-2021, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Suitcase
Nobody talks about driving anymore. And showing up at C&C once a month with your "one of a kind" PTS, 3 different colors of interior stitching order or exercising your rare RS 3 laps around an industrial park where your collection is stored is not driving in my book. Regardless of Covid, inventory shortages, chip shortages and the whatever who pays +$100k for some pretentious SUV, the direction of Porsche (and the world) is running contrary to the basic premise of why we like this in the first place. Driving. As the cars become more automated and less engaging to drive, there is some percentage of us that likes to shift the car, appreciates "lighter is better" and doesn't want a self driving car. Maybe it's about freedom...maybe not. The escalating price of a GT3 Touring is well deserved. The production is relatively limited, and regardless of it's monetary value, it's a 500 HP, NA, MT 911 without a wing. It's a great car to drive. And now, may be the last chance to purchase a relatively low mileage, unmolested car. Much of this is Tulips but Tourings', R's, 993 C2S are not...just to name a few.
Porsche needs engineers from the Colin Chapman school of lighter and simpler are better.
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AP really is THAT guy. But the world has changed. His hands are tied by increasingly stringent emissions madness, fuel economy, noise, money, electronic controls, safety mandates, a company committed to becoming an all electric vehicle manufacturer, political strong arming and a general loss of freedom.
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Originally Posted by Suitcase
AP really is THAT guy. But the world has changed. His hands are tied by increasingly stringent emissions madness, fuel economy, noise, money, electronic controls, safety mandates, a company committed to becoming an all electric vehicle manufacturer, political strong arming and a general loss of freedom.
Sad.
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Old 06-01-2021, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Norcalgt3
Key is in this inflationary environment. As they say, time in the market beats timing the market. The correction years from now may or may not still result in regular asset and equity prices lower than what they are today. Don't need to be an economist to realize that.
are you really comparing a stock, which is a share of ownership of a company that is intended to represent the pro-rata ownership of present value of future cash flows generated by a company to a car? Let's line up the S&P 500 over 10 years and GT3 prices; one has returned more than 3x and the other has generally exhibited a declining trend that has only now reversed sharply.
Old 06-01-2021, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by maroli
are you really comparing a stock, which is a share of ownership of a company that is intended to represent the pro-rata ownership of present value of future cash flows generated by a company to a car? Let's line up the S&P 500 over 10 years and GT3 prices; one has returned more than 3x and the other has generally exhibited a declining trend that has only now reversed sharply.
I'm saying both have benefited from the current environment which have created higher multiples for values than what should be possible. It was not a direct comparison.

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