welikethetrack

hahaha

I know more cheapasses that think they can get into a gt3 and out and not lose money and hence why they want a gt3 than anyone that wants a huracan...

Hence why I think this gt market (all of it, every gen, mine included) is pretty much a house of cards ready to fall given the amount of dreamers buying them and trying to flip, not really actually driving them....usually a terrible sign for future values.

instantly "collectible" and not driven is the corvette effect (I know, yikes)....if it is collectible new and people don't drive them....they just don't move on price because there is too many good examples available and popularity kind of wanes as time goes on with too many good examples available.

Cars that actually hold value are typically not really sold well at inception (CGT/late manual Ferrari's/LFA/s2kCR) or the popular ones are ran into the ground by actual enthusiasts (NSX,e46, e30, supra, s2000, etc.) making a very popular car pretty rare to find anything decent on hence making them desirable and rare again.

EDIT: 996/997 have kind of been run into the ground

wkf94025

Sound like the kind of car Sam Bankman-Fried would own...

ParadiseGT3

Cashed in my .2's with some sucker yesterday in a straight up trade for his FTT. Haven't slept that well in months. Got out of the GT3 market just in time.

esmo

Hi guys,
I didn't want to start new thread and I guess this could be the right one where to put my question.
My dad is about to get in GT3 cars, his main goal is 991.2 with low mileage, PDK, nice desired color (PTS would be great but not many of them are for sale at the moment in Europe, yes we're from centre of Europe), front lift, chrono etc.
He is not focusing on track usage, weekend drives around countryside is just enough for him. Budget max 185k€ / $197k.
I found this particular piece, which seems really nice from my point of view. I know it lacks buckets and PCCB, but everything else looks just fine.
Can you share your opinion with me on this car? My main concern is about losing of its value, since my dad keeps his cars only for ... let's say one year.
And I am sorry for my messy english :-)
https://www.british-sportscars.com/c...91-gt3-mk2-new

Maverick787

The GT3 is great for the track, but can be enjoyed for weekends drives as you suggest. However, a manual is more enjoyable for what you described for usage and that’s always debatable just my opinion I’ve had both. GT3’s are high revving cars and below 5k RPM it’s a bore as it lacks torque due to the track focus gearing. Lastly, if your big concern is losing value it will because the market is still tipping below the peak. Also PDK, no PCCB’s, and manual will be less desirable and the car should be out of warranty. I only state those things as you said it was a concern, and your English is fine by the way. Good luck ………..

esmo

Thanks for your input Mav.
The thing is, he had Carrera T this year with 7-speed manual, enjoyed car a lot, but now he knows PDK will suits him better, got more confidence with it and so on.
But yes, loosing value if we pick wrong spected car is a big concern, that’s why I am still not sure about those seats, because I guess most of people wants to track their GT3s … on the other hand I don’t think with this budget we can get low mileage with PCCB and buckets…

fractionofawhole

I wouldn't worry too much about the seats, or really any of the specific options you called out. When I was searching for a GT3 it was a roughly 50/50 split on cars with sofas vs those with buckets, so there's clearly a large portion of GT buyers that opt for non-bucket seats. Same goes for PCCB, tho that was probably more a 60/40 split in favor of PCCB. But again, there is a large portion of GT buyers that opt for non-ceramics. 6MT seems to hold value a little bit better than PDKs, but again in my search it was roughly a 50/50 split on spec'd transmission.

Markets are still correcting and that's likely going to continue for the foreseeable future, so if you're truly worried about losing value you shouldn't be buying a car right now. Honestly with that mentality you may never want to buy a car as they're liabilities, not assets (with incredibly rare exceptions, in non-bubble market times). This is especially true if you think your dad will only keep the car for roughly a year. If you can put aside the fact that you're basically guaranteed to lose value, buy the car that has specs that work for you (or your dad in this instance). Don't worry about what the next owner may want. Worry about what YOU want and the specs that matter to you.

esmo

Thank you for your opinion as well.
I will take note about the current market situation you are talking about. Just last thing, then I will stop spamming this thread :-)
About that "fear of losing value", it's more about losing tens of thousands due to picking car with unpopular specs, which will be hard to sell afterwards. Losing something is predictable and ok, of course best scenario is be even after selling.
Or be in profit (haha), as we were successful after selling T he previously owned. 10k€ in plus. That was the moment "ok, let's get some proper GT"
I understand that the Porsche market is more specific, than BMW we are used to. BMW cars are ... just all the same. Thousands of similar cars.
We are just new to this market and afraid not to do some "financial flop". But as I see if the car is speced with front lift, chrono and low mileage, we should be fine...
Thanks for your time guys.

fijibubba

If you're looking for a car to pile miles on and prefer to have the sofas and an accident documented..... heres your chance to maybe beat the price down and grab one.

$189,000 2019 Lizard 3RS 26,601 miles, WP, PDLS, PCCB's, Sofa's, FALs, Carbon Fiber Window Triangle, Bose, 28 gal tank.

WP0AF2A9XKS164763

https://www.lvcarseast.com/vdp/19470...Vegas-NV-89104

rjongco

Almost all of those miles after the accident…probably not a bad option for someone who doesn’t mind the baggage

GT-HP

Looks good now. But it was in this condition before. It had undercarriage damages. FYI

https://plc.ua/en/auctions/lot/porsc...63-1-69812442/

rickster997

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TheDangerZone

Hammered at 194k, so 199k after BaT fees. Solid deal IMO. 176k MSRP. Had FAL, PCCB, extended tank but missing buckets. Those were the key options to me, at least.

rk-d

$194k is at least $5k less than I figured - definitely a strong deal.

Buckets were a deal breaker for me - IMO they add more to resale than their retail cost. I think they were $5k originally, but I'd suggest at least $10k in value added (I know some people will disagree with that).

dapopa9

Possible the odometer has been rolled back on this car? Or the new for sale listing is wrong?

In those old wreck pics it shows the OD at 26,602 miles which is more than what the car is now listed at and repaired.