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Old 12-29-2022, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Randy M
It's a telling thread, one group cheerleading market devaluation, the other crossing their fingers that the market continues in the current valuation trajectory. We all want to ensure that what we've bought, or what we want to buy is financially responsible. But if a $30-50K market swing one way or another is going to dictate a potential buyer pulling the trigger on one of these cars...may I suggest you consider playing in a different sandbox? I could be wrong and everyone's financial responsibilities situation is different, just seems to me that if you're in the former group, maybe evaluate why you have that sentiment? This thread feels contemptuous at times.
Personally, it doesn't really matter. I bought my car knowing full well the value would drop. The only way I would end up unhappy with the situation is if I didn't absolutely love the car and didn’t truly felt like it could be a keeper. Thankfully, the car has been a total winner and I could not be more happy with it.

We all want to feel like we got a bargain, but to be honest market value doesn't matter if you don't plan to sell your car. I bought my 993 at the high end of market value and the 993 value threads were pretty bleak, but I knew the car was a keeper so it really didn't matter. Fast forward and the price I paid was a steal. So who really knows long term with this stuff.

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect relative stability in Touring prices given the inventory - that's just being realistic. $30k swing is entirely possible, but seeing a Touring sell now for $20k under sticker(or whatever it was) is just not reality for a decent example.

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Old 12-29-2022, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by rk-d
but to be honest market value doesn't matter if you don't plan to sell your car.
This. The flippers for the most part have moved onto the 992s for better or worse, not sure many are holding onto a 991.2 with the hopes of them skyrocketing in the short term, that ship has sailed for now. I don't find this thread contentious but rather I think we are seeing those that want to get into one being hopeful things will drop enough that they can do it - and hopefully that happens for them. If mine drops, it drops....if it goes up it goes up, I don't care either way. Cost of depreciation is worth experiencing it, and yes it is fun to peek at the numbers being asked and auction numbers, but no matter, 100% correct with this comment here rk-d.
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Old 12-29-2022, 02:03 PM
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I think we should be happy that our cars are worth at or near the MSRP after all these years. I have no plans on selling mine so it’s value now is of no consequence to me. Even if it costs me in the future the enjoyment the car gave me is worth it!
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Old 12-30-2022, 09:56 AM
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Does anyone know anything about this particular 911R? Isringhausen has had it in their inventory for awhile now.

https://www.isringhausenporsche.com/...ade0abf8c6.htm
Old 12-30-2022, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Randy M
It's a telling thread, one group cheerleading market devaluation, the other crossing their fingers that the market continues in the current valuation trajectory. We all want to ensure that what we've bought, or what we want to buy is financially responsible. But if a $30-50K market swing one way or another is going to dictate a potential buyer pulling the trigger on one of these cars...may I suggest you consider playing in a different sandbox? I could be wrong and everyone's financial responsibilities situation is different, just seems to me that if you're in the former group, maybe evaluate why you have that sentiment? This thread feels contemptuous at times.
maybe you can start a thread questioning everyone’s choices in life?
Old 12-30-2022, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Rod27
maybe you can start a thread questioning everyone’s choices in life?
I'm questioning your response right now....
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Old 12-31-2022, 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Xec
I'll bite. I think most folks in here aren't truly impacted by a $30K-50K loss. It's part of the cost of ownership for any high performance vehicle. That said, it's natural for people to try to be financially savvy - it's probably why most can afford these cars in the first place in addition to being high earners. To those who truly find $30K-50K immaterial probably have multiple GT cars and have their 992 GT3RS on order.

I've been shopping for the next upgrade from my .1 GT3. I bought at a market high and have probably taken a loss already in the range you described. I am fine with that as long as the step into the next car is now much closer. I am not okay with randomly pissing away $30-50K in every car I buy - just two times of that I can spec a new marked up 992 GT3.
Buying a 991 GT3 and having it depreciate $30-50K over 3-5 yrs is quite different than just setting that much $ on fire. If the possibility of the former is not “acceptable” financially or emotionally, then perhaps spending $200K on any car isnt a great idea- even if GT3 values slide 10-15% in the short term to allow a more digestible price of entry. Buying a GT3 based upon predicted depreciation, hoping for appreciation / flip, when Porsche stops making ICE GT cars, etc sucks the fun out of ownership imo-

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Old 12-31-2022, 09:35 AM
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Anyone familiar with this RS? Seems to be aggressively priced.

https://www.wideworldferrari.com/inv...rader_listings
Old 12-31-2022, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Fang911
Buying a 991 GT3 and having it depreciate $30-50K over 3-5 yrs is quite different than just setting that much $ on fire. If the possibility of the former is not “acceptable” financially or emotionally, then perhaps spending $200K on any car isnt a great idea- even if GT3 values slide 10-15% in the short term to allow a more digestible price of entry. Buying a GT3 based upon predicted depreciation, hoping for appreciation / flip, when Porsche stops making ICE GT cars, etc sucks the fun out of ownership imo-
I guess I forgot to mention timing as well. I like to churn through cars. Yes $10k a year of depreciation is nothing. I’ve owned my GT3 for less than a year. I would like to avoid losing $40k every 6 months lol.
Old 12-31-2022, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 991.1NY
Anyone familiar with this RS? Seems to be aggressively priced.

https://www.wideworldferrari.com/inv...rader_listings
Yup, good price IMO. I'd be seriously looking at it if I were on the market.
Old 12-31-2022, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 991.1NY
Anyone familiar with this RS? Seems to be aggressively priced.

https://www.wideworldferrari.com/inv...rader_listings
Seems like there's a story there. Ad says AP racing brakes but pictures show stock red calipers with J hook rotors. Build sheet says it came with PCCB but they dont have them anymore. If I were a serious buyer I would be doing a lot of research on this one.....
Old 12-31-2022, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by spyderbret
Seems like there's a story there. Ad says AP racing brakes but pictures show stock red calipers with J hook rotors. Build sheet says it came with PCCB but they dont have them anymore. If I were a serious buyer I would be doing a lot of research on this one.....
look more closely those are AP calibers painted red with Porsche decals applied. See the 2 socket head cap screws in the center of the caliper and if you look close the back sides are more open than Porsche brakes.

I looked at a few 16 RS back in April and they were priced from 205-210K so with the recent slip in prices that may be in line.
Old 12-31-2022, 06:03 PM
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The Lava '16 GT3 RS at West Coast Exotic Cars seems a better deal - PCCB in place, buckets, lower mileage - what am I missing? I purchased my car from them and had a great buying experience, otherwise no affiliation.

​​​​​​https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/f...-ee07790ab3ba/
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Old 12-31-2022, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 74goldtarga
The Lava '16 GT3 RS at West Coast Exotic Cars seems a better deal - PCCB in place, buckets, lower mileage - what am I missing? I purchased my car from them and had a great buying experience, otherwise no affiliation.

​​​​​​https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/f...-ee07790ab3ba/
Better deal for sure but think that car will be 160k or less in 3-4 months. Was a 150kish car pre Covid.
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Old 01-01-2023, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 74goldtarga
The Lava '16 GT3 RS at West Coast Exotic Cars seems a better deal - PCCB in place, buckets, lower mileage - what am I missing? I purchased my car from them and had a great buying experience, otherwise no affiliation.

​​​​​​https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/f...-ee07790ab3ba/
Don't think you're missing anything, 15K miles isn't particularly low in context of these cars, though. Orange also is not as sought after as UV.


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