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I better sell my Touring quickly before it’s worthless! Prices on everything from cars to watches have begun to normalize again. On second thought maybe I’ll just go for a drive putting more miles on my car and try to enjoy myself without being so concerned about value. That’s why I bought the car. I still remember the good old days when we were more interested in the car itself and not what it will be worth tomorrow or next month. These value threads are getting a little tiresome. I know I don’t have to click on them, Just can’t help myself sometimes.
This isn't a value thread. Its the "For Sale" thread. One person asking about value does not make a thread.
This isn't a value thread. Its the "For Sale" thread. One person asking about value does not make a thread.
Actually the question was asking future value of a 991.1 GT3, and the thread has turned into more than a for sale thread, it has become to some extent a value thread. Many people debating or commenting on the future values of GT cars. So in sum yes it is a value thread in addition to cars listed for sale.
This CPO Touring recently subjected to a -30k price drop, now listed at $189.9. 13,300 mls. Maybe missing something, but see no red flags on carfax, ownership history.
This CPO Touring recently subjected to a -30k price drop, now listed at $189.9. 13,300 mls. Maybe missing something, but see no red flags on carfax, ownership history.
If you go to the Porsche pre-owned car locator site and find this car they link to the Autocheck report which states the car was involved in an accident in 2019 with "severe damage" reported. Here is a link to the report:
This CPO Touring recently subjected to a -30k price drop, now listed at $189.9. 13,300 mls. Maybe missing something, but see no red flags on carfax, ownership history.
Looks like about $9k in options, so about $37k over original sticker? Tourings have been going for ~$40-45k over sticker, roughly. So it’s not a crazy low price in that context (assuming my numbers are right).
They overpriced this one if it was previously $30k higher than this price - no buckets or ceramics or carbon trim/door sills make it a harder sell, IMO (at least for me). I do think Tourings ought to be decked out
Originally Posted by sunspot2013
If you go to the Porsche pre-owned car locator site and find this car they link to the Autocheck report which states the car was involved in an accident in 2019 with "severe damage" reported. Here is a link to the report:
If you go to the Porsche pre-owned car locator site and find this car they link to the Autocheck report which states the car was involved in an accident in 2019 with "severe damage" reported. Here is a link to the report:
Looks like about $9k in options, so about $37k over original sticker? Tourings have been going for ~$40-45k over sticker, roughly. So it’s not a crazy low price in that context (assuming my numbers are right).
They overpriced this one if it was previously $30k higher than this price - no buckets or ceramics or carbon trim/door sills make it a harder sell, IMO (at least for me). I do think Tourings ought to be decked out
Big time overpriced then. Wow. “Clean Carfax” too.
It’s listed for 30k over MSRP, vin analytics has it at 160k
It seems like low mileage Tourings are going for 225-240 currently. Is the thinking that clean sub 4k mileage cars are rare?
There seems to be cars with 3-5k miles that come up for sale from time to time. I don’t think some of the buyers on the popular auction sites take into consideration the MSRP of the cars for sale. As far as what they are going for I can’t say. Remember they only made approx 714 Tourings for the USA, which at least to me is not a lot of cars.
There seems to be cars with 3-5k miles that come up for sale from time to time. I don’t think some of the buyers on the popular auction sites take into consideration the MSRP of the cars for sale. As far as what they are going for I can’t say. Remember they only made approx 714 Tourings for the USA, which at least to me is not a lot of cars.
It’s not a numbered car, but it’s a fact that there are not a lot of cars and if you have a particular spec in mind, there may only be one (or none) in the country for sale at a give time that qualify. That was the case when I was looking. When the volume of cars is that low, some of it is pure luck of timing.
When you find the car that fits, I say buy at current market value and let the chips fall where they may. Or be super patient and hope the stars align, but personally I think life is too short for that (not to mention it’s no fun).
It’s not a numbered car, but it’s a fact that there are not a lot of cars and if you have a particular spec in mind, there may only be one (or none) in the country for sale at a give time that qualify. That was the case when I was looking. When the volume of cars is that low, some of it is pure luck of timing.
When you find the car that fits, I say buy at current market value and let the chips fall where they may. Or be super patient and hope the stars align, but personally I think life is too short for that (not to mention it’s no fun).
Agreed! In 2019 I decided to sell my RS and began looking for a Touring. I was looking for a Black car with buckets, PCCB’s , full leather with yellow stitching and a few other options.I found the perfect car with 100 miles on it that was certified preowned at a Porsche dealership. I jumped on it immediately. Three years later I am a very happy camper!
MSRP almost as irrelevant to me as pre-construction pricing from however many years ago, or loan shopping with 2020 rates as the reference. There's not even a history of mean reversion (to MSRP) with GT3's. It's historically value chaos.
997.1 RS was 12x msrp. Try to forget, but believe I passed on one of those around '09-'10 for 80 or 90. (Knew better, too... ) Now upper 200's.
Many better ways to evaluate at what price a GT3/RS is a good buy, imo. MSRP of relevance for the handful who get a current gen allocation, not historical or used. If at some points 991.2's end up around MSRP that will just be a happenstance moment in value trending up or down, and not even necessarily a good time to buy. It wasn't in 2020, they plummeted right through the MSRP "floor."
MSRP almost as irrelevant to me as pre-construction pricing from however many years ago, or loan shopping with 2020 rates as the reference. There's not even a history of mean reversion (to MSRP) with GT3's. It's historically value chaos.
997.1 RS was 12x msrp. Try to forget, but believe I passed on one of those around '09-'10 for 80 or 90. (Knew better, too... ) Now upper 200's.
Many better ways to evaluate at what price a GT3/RS is a good buy, imo. MSRP of relevance for the handful who get a current gen allocation, not historical or used. If at some points 991.2's end up around MSRP that will just be a happenstance moment in value trending up or down, and not even necessarily a good time to buy. It wasn't in 2020, they plummeted right through the MSRP "floor."
MSRP is indicative of options on the car. If you want full leather, buckets, PCCB’s, front end lift etc it’s naturally going to have a higher MSRP. If you don’t care how the car is specced then it doesn’t really matter. Obviously if it has options you don’t want then it’s a waste. My car had a MSRP of 187k and it has all of the options I would have specced if I was building the car and a few I would have passed on, not that I don’t like them, I just would have saved the money. What I was trying to say is people in general see a model such as a Touring and either say or ask what they are worth. I don’t think you can fairly compare a stripper to a nicely optioned car. Just my 2 cents. Value is in the eye of the beholder. We each want something different and there is nothing wrong with that.
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