991.2 GT3 RS
#2116
It’s as I thought. You were given a tentative allocation and allowed to spec the car. There wasn’t an official order with a commission number. If it’s any consolation to you, there are many in the US who have submitted an order V200 without any guarantee they will ever have the order filled.
#2117
Originally Posted by Porsch2018
What a positively inane and obtuse comment. Let me break down the ADM for others that potentially would benefit from an alternate perspective. Firstly, those that obtain MSRP deals are generally but not always the long term clients what is often referred to as a VIP. So what does it take to become a VIP, not guarantee it mind you, it requires you at a minimum make multiple car purchases over time and with each purchase more often then not on resale or trade you take an associated loss. New cars lose around 11% the moment you leave the lot then 15 to 25% for each year of ownership, and after 5 years, with exception, the car is worth about 37% of what you paid 5 years prior. Pretty steep nose dive in value wouldn’t you say? Let’s say VIP customer, let’s call him Mr. Rotorhead buys a average specced 911 for 120K and hold on to the car for 2 years and does this 3 times to become a VIP (though after three modest purchases admittedly that would be a little unlikely but I want to create a scenario that favors your stated concern). So that originally purchased 120K Porsche 911 under the most favorable scenario after two years of ownership is now worth ~ 77K*. That is 43K loss per vehicle and after three such slam dunks (6 years +/-) Mr. Rotorhead is now achieved the coveted VIP status, and his losses are somewhere in the neighborhood of 130K. Even if I cut the losses in half because Mr. Rotorhead is a slick customer, and a fast talker, or just happens to walk on water…….we are still talking about 65K in losses and a 5 or 6 year wait.
So now Mr. Camshaft comes along and pays an ADM of 40 to 50K and gets a GT car immediately not having to wait the obligatory a 5 or 6 years and a car, I might add, that will hold it’s value much better then the non-GT Porsches……hmmmmmmmmmmmm……I ask you who seems like they crafted a better deal?
I would love to continue this debate with you but I have to go on to the Suncoast website and buy some cool accessories for my 2019 991.2 GT3-RS with the money I saved (not to mention the time I did not have spend in Porsche purgatory).
* assumptions: 11% loss after leaving the lot then 15% loss each of the subsequent two years
So now Mr. Camshaft comes along and pays an ADM of 40 to 50K and gets a GT car immediately not having to wait the obligatory a 5 or 6 years and a car, I might add, that will hold it’s value much better then the non-GT Porsches……hmmmmmmmmmmmm……I ask you who seems like they crafted a better deal?
I would love to continue this debate with you but I have to go on to the Suncoast website and buy some cool accessories for my 2019 991.2 GT3-RS with the money I saved (not to mention the time I did not have spend in Porsche purgatory).
* assumptions: 11% loss after leaving the lot then 15% loss each of the subsequent two years
How is this incorrect ?
#2118
I have a UK car coming (no WP available). It should have been delivered this week but was delayed, I think because of yellow stitching. I hope it doesn’t get delayed again.
I will order one of these and keep it in my frunk. It’s a great idea as you never know if the driver or passenger can start getting a sore lower back. Mine plus up from time to time.
Exaxtly my spec but I have gold wheels and no side decals (they were grey on configurator). I have to say I find the black a bit underwhelming without WP. I showed my wife lizard and nearly fell over laughing. “What the hell is that! No lizard on earth is that colour! Forget it!
i place one of these cushions in each of our LWB's for long drives. most people don't visually notice them as they are a dark blue and are kinda close to the black alacantara inserts. they are cheap and make a huge difference.
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Last edited by BrntRubber; 05-14-2018 at 03:53 AM.
#2120
What do we know about a new intake system on the 991.2.2 GT3RS?
991.2.2 meaning with particle filter. built for EU within 2019. ready for Euro6c.
991.2 GT3 R (race car) got this upgrade already. single throttle bodies (now 6 (2019) instead of 2 (2016) bodies). What a new groundbreaking technology! ...
source: https://files1.porsche.com/filestore...schreibung.pdf
So why not bring it also with the 991.2.2 GT3RS? to fill the loss of power based on the particle filter.
does the 991.2 MDG 4.0l engine have one or two throttle bodies? i think one as the Metzgers?
even if the 991.1 GT3 R got already two.
based on source: https://files3.porsche.com/filestore...schreibung.pdf
991.2.2 meaning with particle filter. built for EU within 2019. ready for Euro6c.
991.2 GT3 R (race car) got this upgrade already. single throttle bodies (now 6 (2019) instead of 2 (2016) bodies). What a new groundbreaking technology! ...
source: https://files1.porsche.com/filestore...schreibung.pdf
So why not bring it also with the 991.2.2 GT3RS? to fill the loss of power based on the particle filter.
does the 991.2 MDG 4.0l engine have one or two throttle bodies? i think one as the Metzgers?
even if the 991.1 GT3 R got already two.
based on source: https://files3.porsche.com/filestore...schreibung.pdf
#2121
I am not as confident that the ADM is going to be eliminated, there is a dealership in Texas that has been selling 3RS allocations for a 75K ADM; they sold 6 and have one remaining. Regarding Porsche stepping up production........how would any of us ever be able to get that information and consider it reliable? It's seems I hear vastly different figures from multiple "in the know" sources. I would love to know the true 3RS production figures but that is clearly not ever going to happen........unless of course, as I have heard several people reference on this forum, I hire the right gardener and/or cleaning lady.
On top of that there is occasional disinformation being posted by members on this forum with various diverse, not always forthright motivations.
On top of that there is occasional disinformation being posted by members on this forum with various diverse, not always forthright motivations.
#2122
So if don't pay ADM, people do can get a .2 GT3RS but they just can't choose the color? Dealer will let you build your whole spec (front lift or not, bucket or not) but just not the color?
How to dealers prevent people from choosing the color they want anyways.
"What color do you want?"
"Lizard Green"
"Ok, no you can't get that, any other color is ok, unless you pay ADM"
Does ADM and color picking go hand in hand? So people who paid ADM would be able to get it without ADM if they give up their color choice? And people who paid MSRP most likely won't be able to pick their own colors?
#2123
What a positively inane and obtuse comment. Let me break down the ADM for others that potentially would benefit from an alternate perspective. Firstly, those that obtain MSRP deals are generally but not always the long term clients what is often referred to as a VIP. So what does it take to become a VIP, not guarantee it mind you, it requires you at a minimum make multiple car purchases over time and with each purchase more often then not on resale or trade you take an associated loss. New cars lose around 11% the moment you leave the lot then 15 to 25% for each year of ownership, and after 5 years, with exception, the car is worth about 37% of what you paid 5 years prior. Pretty steep nose dive in value wouldn’t you say? Let’s say VIP customer, let’s call him Mr. Rotorhead buys a average specced 911 for 120K and hold on to the car for 2 years and does this 3 times to become a VIP (though after three modest purchases admittedly that would be a little unlikely but I want to create a scenario that favors your stated concern). So that originally purchased 120K Porsche 911 under the most favorable scenario after two years of ownership is now worth ~ 77K*. That is 43K loss per vehicle and after three such slam dunks (6 years +/-) Mr. Rotorhead is now achieved the coveted VIP status, and his losses are somewhere in the neighborhood of 130K. Even if I cut the losses in half because Mr. Rotorhead is a slick customer, and a fast talker, or just happens to walk on water…….we are still talking about 65K in losses and a 5 or 6 year wait.
So now Mr. Camshaft comes along and pays an ADM of 40 to 50K and gets a GT car immediately not having to wait the obligatory a 5 or 6 years and a car, I might add, that will hold it’s value much better then the non-GT Porsches……hmmmmmmmmmmmm……I ask you who seems like they crafted a better deal?
I would love to continue this debate with you but I have to go on to the Suncoast website and buy some cool accessories for my 2019 991.2 GT3-RS with the money I saved (not to mention the time I did not have spend in Porsche purgatory).
* assumptions: 11% loss after leaving the lot then 15% loss each of the subsequent two years
So now Mr. Camshaft comes along and pays an ADM of 40 to 50K and gets a GT car immediately not having to wait the obligatory a 5 or 6 years and a car, I might add, that will hold it’s value much better then the non-GT Porsches……hmmmmmmmmmmmm……I ask you who seems like they crafted a better deal?
I would love to continue this debate with you but I have to go on to the Suncoast website and buy some cool accessories for my 2019 991.2 GT3-RS with the money I saved (not to mention the time I did not have spend in Porsche purgatory).
* assumptions: 11% loss after leaving the lot then 15% loss each of the subsequent two years
I've covered these topics in the past but since you're new i'll reiterate a little:
One other type of dealer VIP are people who do take those 65k - 200k losses on multiple new "ordinary model" cars (new Porsche every year), but they don't just get one GT3RS. Between 2015 and 2018, they got .1 GT3, .1GT3 RS, GT4, .2GT3, and .2 GT3RS for MSRP (and some lower than MSRP), on top of the ordinary "new Porsche". I know some that even got 2014 GT3, 2015 GT3, and 2016 GT3 and multiple GT4 and multiple .2 GT3.
Another type of dealer VIP are people who just been buying cars at the dealer for like 20+ years, so they have 930, 993 turbo, 996 GT2, 997.1 RS, 997.2 RS, RS 4.0 etc throughout all the years and some sold them and some kept them but all appreciated a lot, they don't really buy "non GT" cars, and dealer just call them up as the next GT car announces because the dealer trust them and know their intentions instead of dealing with unknown customers. These people also get more than just one GT car every 5 years, just RS they would have 2 between 2016 and 2018, plus GT3 and GT4s if they choose.
Another type of dealer VIP are those like the one you described but super smart about the cars they pick as "non GT" cars. They still achieve dealer VIP by buying a "non GT" every year or 2 years. 2015 Macan S with base necessity like premium package only and 5-7% discount is around 53k, look at how much 2015 Macan S with 30k miles or so (clean one owner history) are average auctioning off for, low 40s. That's 11k ~13k loss over 3.5 years (car released in May 2014). 2017 Macan GTS, most are still trading at purchase price or a few thousand below (original purchase price of MSRP minus 6-8%) after 2 years (car released in March 2016), thats 0k ~ 5k loss over 2 years. Cayman R are still trading at 5-10k under purchase price back in 2012 (1k per year loss). 987 Boxster Spyder and 981 boxster spyder, just to name a few. It may seem implausible that someone picked only the cars that didn't depreciate but most of these are pros that been doing this for 15+ years or are car industry people buying their own personal cars. Same here these people are getting multiple RS and GT3s and such over the years.
The list goes on (people who buy only used non-GT cars, people who are just cool, and more), there are so many types of dealer VIP that all are considered VIP in their own ways, your theory encompass some but not a majority percentage. And that's just dealer VIPs, then there's Porsche VIPs, who still get their car from a dealer, which are mostly categorized into PMNA VIPs, 918 VIPs, and PCNA VIPs.
#2126
#2127
You're assuming too many things. Yes, some VIP are of what you described above, what exact % is unknown, but from the 30+ VIPs I know, less than 25% are like that. And when I mean by "like that" I mean taking 65k - 130k losses on new Porsche over 5 or 6 years to get one GT3RS at MSRP.
I've covered these topics in the past but since you're new i'll reiterate a little:
One other type of dealer VIP are people who do take those 65k - 200k losses on multiple new "ordinary model" cars (new Porsche every year), but they don't just get one GT3RS. Between 2015 and 2018, they got .1 GT3, .1GT3 RS, GT4, .2GT3, and .2 GT3RS for MSRP (and some lower than MSRP), on top of the ordinary "new Porsche". I know some that even got 2014 GT3, 2015 GT3, and 2016 GT3 and multiple GT4 and multiple .2 GT3.
Another type of dealer VIP are people who just been buying cars at the dealer for like 20+ years, so they have 930, 993 turbo, 996 GT2, 997.1 RS, 997.2 RS, RS 4.0 etc throughout all the years and some sold them and some kept them but all appreciated a lot, they don't really buy "non GT" cars, and dealer just call them up as the next GT car announces because the dealer trust them and know their intentions instead of dealing with unknown customers. These people also get more than just one GT car every 5 years, just RS they would have 2 between 2016 and 2018, plus GT3 and GT4s if they choose.
Another type of dealer VIP are those like the one you described but super smart about the cars they pick as "non GT" cars. They still achieve dealer VIP by buying a "non GT" every year or 2 years. 2015 Macan S with base necessity like premium package only and 5-7% discount is around 53k, look at how much 2015 Macan S with 30k miles or so (clean one owner history) are average auctioning off for, low 40s. That's 11k ~13k loss over 3.5 years (car released in May 2014). 2017 Macan GTS, most are still trading at purchase price or a few thousand below (original purchase price of MSRP minus 6-8%) after 2 years (car released in March 2016), thats 0k ~ 5k loss over 2 years. Cayman R are still trading at 5-10k under purchase price back in 2012 (1k per year loss). 987 Boxster Spyder and 981 boxster spyder, just to name a few. It may seem implausible that someone picked only the cars that didn't depreciate but most of these are pros that been doing this for 15+ years or are car industry people buying their own personal cars. Same here these people are getting multiple RS and GT3s and such over the years.
The list goes on (people who buy only used non-GT cars, people who are just cool, and more), there are so many types of dealer VIP that all are considered VIP in their own ways, your theory encompass some but not a majority percentage. And that's just dealer VIPs, then there's Porsche VIPs, who still get their car from a dealer, which are mostly categorized into PMNA VIPs, 918 VIPs, and PCNA VIPs.
I've covered these topics in the past but since you're new i'll reiterate a little:
One other type of dealer VIP are people who do take those 65k - 200k losses on multiple new "ordinary model" cars (new Porsche every year), but they don't just get one GT3RS. Between 2015 and 2018, they got .1 GT3, .1GT3 RS, GT4, .2GT3, and .2 GT3RS for MSRP (and some lower than MSRP), on top of the ordinary "new Porsche". I know some that even got 2014 GT3, 2015 GT3, and 2016 GT3 and multiple GT4 and multiple .2 GT3.
Another type of dealer VIP are people who just been buying cars at the dealer for like 20+ years, so they have 930, 993 turbo, 996 GT2, 997.1 RS, 997.2 RS, RS 4.0 etc throughout all the years and some sold them and some kept them but all appreciated a lot, they don't really buy "non GT" cars, and dealer just call them up as the next GT car announces because the dealer trust them and know their intentions instead of dealing with unknown customers. These people also get more than just one GT car every 5 years, just RS they would have 2 between 2016 and 2018, plus GT3 and GT4s if they choose.
Another type of dealer VIP are those like the one you described but super smart about the cars they pick as "non GT" cars. They still achieve dealer VIP by buying a "non GT" every year or 2 years. 2015 Macan S with base necessity like premium package only and 5-7% discount is around 53k, look at how much 2015 Macan S with 30k miles or so (clean one owner history) are average auctioning off for, low 40s. That's 11k ~13k loss over 3.5 years (car released in May 2014). 2017 Macan GTS, most are still trading at purchase price or a few thousand below (original purchase price of MSRP minus 6-8%) after 2 years (car released in March 2016), thats 0k ~ 5k loss over 2 years. Cayman R are still trading at 5-10k under purchase price back in 2012 (1k per year loss). 987 Boxster Spyder and 981 boxster spyder, just to name a few. It may seem implausible that someone picked only the cars that didn't depreciate but most of these are pros that been doing this for 15+ years or are car industry people buying their own personal cars. Same here these people are getting multiple RS and GT3s and such over the years.
The list goes on (people who buy only used non-GT cars, people who are just cool, and more), there are so many types of dealer VIP that all are considered VIP in their own ways, your theory encompass some but not a majority percentage. And that's just dealer VIPs, then there's Porsche VIPs, who still get their car from a dealer, which are mostly categorized into PMNA VIPs, 918 VIPs, and PCNA VIPs.
Last edited by Porsch2018; 05-14-2018 at 09:55 AM.
#2128
Absolutely correct, color (colour) is a very personal choice and for me LG and Gold wheels, and dare I say it, LG interior and LG seat belts are pretty cool.
Last edited by Porsch2018; 05-14-2018 at 11:18 AM.
#2129
Well at least you are both in agreement as my wife and I are about the Lizard Green beauty, and for full disclosure, I can neither prove nor disprove that Porsches rendition of Lizard Green is accurate, that is I am not a trained herpetologist but we can state emphatically that we both love the color (colour).
#2130
I have had a .2 997 RS, a .1 GT3, a .1 RS, a .2 GT3 and soon a .2 RS. All at MSRP plus other cars I wanted. What's the problem with someone paying ADM? I paid it on a used 458. So what? I could have the car that day as apposed to 1.5 years later. Open market price is MSRP plus ADM.