991 GT2RS
#2417
Here is the description of the Weissach package in UK with Roll Cage:
#2418
#2419
I maybe slightly off topic but why did they not make a regular GT2 first before going to the RS? GT2's have traditionally been the GT cars that depreciate the most, especially in the first 5 to 7 years then they seem to come back up. This maybe the reason Porsche went straight to the RS version. The regular GT2's seemed to sit on lots for quite a while. This new GT2RS might be the latest and greatest but it is a turbo, and a pdk, is not a Mezger turbo. The turbo stuff and pdk is just going to keep getting better. Porsche is just testing the market with the new 488/720 I think, which is fine.
The 996GT2/997GT2 was driven by guys that wanted either a "Turbo for the track" or a "GT3 with more HP".
The GT2 turned out to be a compromise: Softer than the 997 GT3 but significantly more "track focused" than the Turbo.
In the end both customers were not really satisfied as it didn't meet their needs. Therefore they decided to go with a Turbo / Turbo S strategy from the beginning and only offered the GT2 as RS with a more radical setup.
The "normal" GT2 was always the "least GT" car Porsche made in terms of suspension trim, etc.
#2420
I'm on the bubble.
Pros:
Love the car and the brute power.
Love the looks.
Love the exclusivity if it is exclusive as opposed to building to order
Cons:
Price. Heavy coin for me.
Turbo.
Non Motorsport.
Unclear if my $ and less of it is better spent on last 991GT3RS that is likely on the way and try and score PTS
Conundrum indeed for me.
Reality is my .1 GT3RS is WAY WAY too fast for the street as is. Maybe just keep it and enjoy it and stop chasing the latest greatest.
Pros:
Love the car and the brute power.
Love the looks.
Love the exclusivity if it is exclusive as opposed to building to order
Cons:
Price. Heavy coin for me.
Turbo.
Non Motorsport.
Unclear if my $ and less of it is better spent on last 991GT3RS that is likely on the way and try and score PTS
Conundrum indeed for me.
Reality is my .1 GT3RS is WAY WAY too fast for the street as is. Maybe just keep it and enjoy it and stop chasing the latest greatest.
I would wait for the .2 RS and trade your .1 for that- Why???
-Stop chasing the latest and greatest because that is what many will be doing.
- You mention heavy coin. I am sure you can afford it but even mentioning heavy coin suggests a small stretch.
- I would not take a Turbo over a NA especially when it is possible the .2 RS may exceed 530 HP and 9000 rpm.( you will miss this for certain and that sound above 7500 rpm)
#2422
I would wait for the .2 RS and trade your .1 for that- Why???
-Stop chasing the latest and greatest because that is what many will be doing.
- You mention heavy coin. I am sure you can afford it but even mentioning heavy coin suggests a small stretch.
- I would not take a Turbo over a NA especially when it is possible the .2 RS may exceed 530 HP and 9000 rpm.( you will miss this for certain and that sound above 7500 rpm)
-Stop chasing the latest and greatest because that is what many will be doing.
- You mention heavy coin. I am sure you can afford it but even mentioning heavy coin suggests a small stretch.
- I would not take a Turbo over a NA especially when it is possible the .2 RS may exceed 530 HP and 9000 rpm.( you will miss this for certain and that sound above 7500 rpm)
#2424
.1RS isn't too fast for the street...it's a bit of a "dog" on the low end...it makes you feel like it's crazy fast from the noises it makes but you can wring it out in corners which is fun as hell and no cops set speed traps in turns!
However the 2RS will be super fast from the low to high end so that will be too fast for the street for sure.
However the 2RS will be super fast from the low to high end so that will be too fast for the street for sure.
#2425
Yes that's true about the performance envelope but that's true of all modern sports cars...however with the 1.RS you can get some serious thrills without being thrown in jail...while the 2RS will be so fast you won't realize you were going 145 when that cop pulls you over on your local street.
#2426
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Yes that's true about the performance envelope but that's true of all modern sports cars...however with the 1.RS you can get some serious thrills without being thrown in jail...while the 2RS will be so fast you won't realize you were going 145 when that cop pulls you over on your local street.
#2427
I left Weissach before the actual work on the GT2 RS but the argumentation that was presented to me from AP's number 2, was:
The 996GT2/997GT2 was driven by guys that wanted either a "Turbo for the track" or a "GT3 with more HP".
The GT2 turned out to be a compromise: Softer than the 997 GT3 but significantly more "track focused" than the Turbo.
In the end both customers were not really satisfied as it didn't meet their needs. Therefore they decided to go with a Turbo / Turbo S strategy from the beginning and only offered the GT2 as RS with a more radical setup.
The "normal" GT2 was always the "least GT" car Porsche made in terms of suspension trim, etc.
The 996GT2/997GT2 was driven by guys that wanted either a "Turbo for the track" or a "GT3 with more HP".
The GT2 turned out to be a compromise: Softer than the 997 GT3 but significantly more "track focused" than the Turbo.
In the end both customers were not really satisfied as it didn't meet their needs. Therefore they decided to go with a Turbo / Turbo S strategy from the beginning and only offered the GT2 as RS with a more radical setup.
The "normal" GT2 was always the "least GT" car Porsche made in terms of suspension trim, etc.
#2428
I left Weissach before the actual work on the GT2 RS but the argumentation that was presented to me from AP's number 2, was:
The 996GT2/997GT2 was driven by guys that wanted either a "Turbo for the track" or a "GT3 with more HP".
The GT2 turned out to be a compromise: Softer than the 997 GT3 but significantly more "track focused" than the Turbo.
In the end both customers were not really satisfied as it didn't meet their needs. Therefore they decided to go with a Turbo / Turbo S strategy from the beginning and only offered the GT2 as RS with a more radical setup.
The "normal" GT2 was always the "least GT" car Porsche made in terms of suspension trim, etc.
The 996GT2/997GT2 was driven by guys that wanted either a "Turbo for the track" or a "GT3 with more HP".
The GT2 turned out to be a compromise: Softer than the 997 GT3 but significantly more "track focused" than the Turbo.
In the end both customers were not really satisfied as it didn't meet their needs. Therefore they decided to go with a Turbo / Turbo S strategy from the beginning and only offered the GT2 as RS with a more radical setup.
The "normal" GT2 was always the "least GT" car Porsche made in terms of suspension trim, etc.
#2429
From the website:
The source of its natural authority: the six-cylinder, twin-turbo boxer engine at the rear, four-valve technology, variable turbine geometry (VTG) with large turbochargers and newly designed charged air system, direct fuel injection (DFI) and VarioCam Plus. And transmission directly above the rear axle
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Variable turbine geometry (VTG)
The variable turbine geometry of the twin water-cooled turbochargers arranged in parallel directs the incoming exhaust gas towards the turbine wheel via electronically controlled, moveable vanes in such a way that the ratios of both a ‘small’ and ‘large’ turbocharger can be achieved. VTG therefore largely eliminates the target conflict of a normal turbocharger – and enables optimum aspect ratios to be achieved in every operational state.
At low revs, this results in a high turbine speed and thus a high charge pressure – for increased engine filling efficiency, greater torque and considerably improved performance. The torque curve reaches a higher level much earlier – and then maintains it. At high revs on the other hand, the full potential of a large charger can be utilised by adjusting the vanes – a lower exhaust back pressure for maximum performance. Thanks to the variable turbine geometry, the dynamic build-up of charge pressure produces an improved response.
The source of its natural authority: the six-cylinder, twin-turbo boxer engine at the rear, four-valve technology, variable turbine geometry (VTG) with large turbochargers and newly designed charged air system, direct fuel injection (DFI) and VarioCam Plus. And transmission directly above the rear axle
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Variable turbine geometry (VTG)
The variable turbine geometry of the twin water-cooled turbochargers arranged in parallel directs the incoming exhaust gas towards the turbine wheel via electronically controlled, moveable vanes in such a way that the ratios of both a ‘small’ and ‘large’ turbocharger can be achieved. VTG therefore largely eliminates the target conflict of a normal turbocharger – and enables optimum aspect ratios to be achieved in every operational state.
At low revs, this results in a high turbine speed and thus a high charge pressure – for increased engine filling efficiency, greater torque and considerably improved performance. The torque curve reaches a higher level much earlier – and then maintains it. At high revs on the other hand, the full potential of a large charger can be utilised by adjusting the vanes – a lower exhaust back pressure for maximum performance. Thanks to the variable turbine geometry, the dynamic build-up of charge pressure produces an improved response.
#2430
And then there were people that paid over $800K for a 911R in the beginning. Look at them now.... There will always be somebody that will take a leap.