<3mph

Olympic is a great colour for an RS. Big brother to the Olympic gt4.

jo_ker

Olympia Blue should be the 8th PTS blue on 991RS.
thx for the pictures

so we do have already double the amount of blue PTS´s compared to the regular range of colors!

Z356

Thanks for the follow up on that green Macan.



'Malachite Green' was a metallic offering by Porsche in the previous
997/987 model, as most of you know.



***

The 'Olympic Blue' is an old 914 color which was recently chosen
by a friend in Atlanta for his new gt4!



Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel

dariog

Wow! that 'Olympic Blue' looks awesome on GT4 and GT3RS...

Z356

I am almost at my limit of 'angst' with PTS at Porsche. I have contacted
my sources at PAG & PCNA this week over the '3rd Party' PTS painting
rumor first posted by Unotaz & Whoopsy in a 991 gt3 forum thread &
have yet to receive a reply. You can follow the exchange at the link
below:

https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...11r-pts-4.html

Hopefully we will get a response & the matter clarified for the record.
In the meantime, I will no longer be involved carrying any further
'water' for Porsche on the PTS topic until I get more cooperation
from those individuals tasked - & paid handsomely - to deal with
their PTS customers (of which I am one) at this corporation, which
last I heard is still a for-profit organization. And I like to remind
all that PTS is a profitable option (recently adjusted up in price to
nearly $7K from $5.5K) regardless the headaches re: its convoluted
logistics at PAG!

Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale, AZ

Thus the following post which I wrote elsewhere at Rennlist:


"The 'King', eh? Better than the 'Queen' in this case, I guess.

Gents: The problem is that since July 2015 PAG has categorized
the approved PTS lists 'For Internal Use Only - Confidential'.



I have an even more updated list than Feb 12, 2016 but my copy
doesn't have an exact date. But it has more colors approved than
the Feb 2016 list...so I know it's newer! For example, in it 'Nardo
Grey', the Audi color I chose for my new '16 RS7 (but referred by
Audi as 'Nardo Gray'), has been finally approved for PTS at Porsche!







I am still getting the approved PTS list from my sources inside the
organization but I will not post them in a public forum until I get
permission from Porsche. I have been trying to convince PAG that
it's not in the best interest of their customers, and ultimately PAG,
to hide this list, keep it secret & surround it in 'mystery' once again.
That is the world we lived with during the pre-991 model period
before we started publishing the list & explaining how PTS works
in a series of threads dating back to 2012 here at Rennlist. As a
matter of fact, just four of these threads now have total views
of over one million views...a testament to the popularity of the
subject matter among enthusiasts here at Rennlist! And that
interest has directly translated into record demand for this most
'unique' of options that you can order in a Porsche!



I have made my views known on the 'Confidential' obstacle to the
posting of the approved list to Barbara Boeckenhoff - Manager,
Porsche Exclusive & Personal Design - PCNA, as well as to other
individuals in key positions at both PAG & PCNA. But so far it has
been to no avail. So it's up to all of you, if you want to know the
approved PTS colors & how the PTS windows work, to lobby your
contacts at Porsche & the P-dealers to disseminate this information
& not hold it 'confidential'. The premise of keeping this information
close to the vest is the false assumption that by 'us' not talking about
it too much at places like Rennlist, or allowing the list to be published
in the internet, demand for PTS will go 'down' & be more 'manageable'
for those responsible for planning this 'troublesome' option at the factory.

In the end, PAG will decide what it wants to do...and we either will have
to accept it or shop elsewhere for an alternative brand. I am not going
to send this list to any of you without the approval of PAG, so please
don't ask. So if you want to know about approved PTS colors, you need
to demand a response from PAG, PCNA & your P-dealers. And you can
start by contacting 'Porsche Exclusive' in Atlanta. Even though this group
doesn't actually run PTS in Germany, 'Porsche Exclusive' can be a sounding
board that allows Porsche to hear what you want in regards the PTS program
& option.

Porsche Cars North America, Inc.
Porsche Exclusive - Personal Design Studio
One Porsche Drive
Atlanta, GA 30354
E-Mail: PersonalDesign@porsche.us

So please give it some thought & contact them about this important
topic. Otherwise it will become (once again) the 'exclusive' option
of only those well connected to dealers 'in the know' & assorted VIP's.
And if we return to this 'opaque' world of PTS, the average Porsche
customer will be the principal loser!

So it's up to each & everyone of you to determine the future of this
Paint-to-Sample program. Caveat emptor. You have been warned."

Z356

Do you remember our previous discussion of the PTS 'Green' 991 gt3
that showed up at the IMSA Watkins Glen race last summer & we were
wondering where it came from & who owns it?



*

Well, it showed up last weekend at Laguna Seca for the IMSA race
(as expected). It was there to 'show off' the Porsche brand & give
a few lucky passengers some thrilling e-rides at speed on the track
in-between the day's races!





*

So I waited for the driver to return to his parking place in the paddock
to ask him a few questions about this particular PTS gt3. And, as Paul
Harvey used to say, here is the rest of the story!



*
The car belongs to PCNA, apparently from day one! It's Vin #...9248.



My 'Signal Green' gt3 is ...9243. So both are part of the 10 late
allocation '15 PTS gt3's built in March 2015 & they likely met each
other going down together on the assembly line at Werk II in
Zuffenhausen!



I didn't have to ask about the color...trust me when I tell you it's
'Signal Green' and not 'Viper Green'. The specs are exactly
like the rest of them (not modified with PCCB's). So just like mine,
including leather-covered backs on the four-way Sport Plus seats!




*

As of that date & time, it had 1537 miles on the odometer. And
I might add, all of them were carefully driven...at warp speed on
some of America's most challenging & dangerous tracks! And at
the 9000 RPM red line even though it has yet to reach completion
of the recommended 2000 miles engine break-in period!




*

The car is there because Porsche is an official IMSA sponsor & thus
allowed to 'advertise' one of its model along with other manufacturers
& organizations that are IMSA's 'partners'!





*

The driver of the gt3 last weekend was professional racer &
driving instructor James Gue. He is employed by 'Porsche
Sport Driving School' at the Barber Motorsports Park near
Birmingham, Alabama. And he also coaches some drivers
participating in the IMSA races, so he is frequently available
at the races to provide rides on this particular PTS gt3!





I previously met James when I attended the 918 test drives at
The Thermal (near Chino, CA) back in November of 2013! He
was one of our driving instructors at that event!



And we met again at a follow-up 918 driving event a Sonoma
Raceway (Sears Point) in June of 2014!



*

James mentioned in passing that he believes PCNA will retire the
'Signal Green' gt3 from the IMSA show circuit & shortly replace it
with a gt4! So all of you that might be interested in a leisurely
driven PTS gt3, with low miles & barely broken-in, please contact
PCNA in Atlanta with your $ bids!







Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale, AZ

Z356

Here is another mystery we need to solve. How many late 2015
allocations 'Signal Green' .1 991 gt3s were actually built for the
US market?

We were initially told that only 10 of each of the three colors
were built on this limited PTS gt3 production. So 10 'Signal
Green' '15 gt3's in total for the US market. And we reported
as early as in May 2015 the following information we had
gathered re: actual vin #'s:



​Post # 545
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...y-gt3s-37.html

****

But if we start listing them now by Vin #, something peculiar is
detected. The sequence of Vin #'s we have suggest at least 14 PTS
'Signal Green' gt3's were built!

>>>VIN # ....Dealer...............State..........Owner

01) 9238......McKenna...............CA...........Unknown
02) 9239
03) 9240......Unknown...............NC...........Road Scholars (Kevin's)
04) 9241
05) 9242
06) 9243.......P of Beachwood.....OH...........Rennlister Z356 (Eduardo's)
07) 9244.......P of Beverly Hills....CA............Rennlister Racingutoo
08) 9245
09) 9246
10) 9247
11) 9248........Unknown..............................PCNA
12) 9249........P of Rancho Mirage..CA.........Rennlister Msmatt
13) 9250........P of San Diego.........CA........Rennlister George
14) 9251.........Stevinson...............CO.........Unknown

*


These are known 'Signal Green' gt3s in this series but not sure
YET of their Vin #:

1) 92**.........P of Bellevue............ WA........Unknown

2) 92**.........Momentum................TX........Rennlister EricHai

That leaves 4 Vin #'s unaccounted for!

***

I am contacting people I know at each of those dealerships,
and in on case a known owner, to see if I can get the Vin #s
of the Bellevue, San Diego & Momentum 'Signal Green' gt3s.
I will report back as soon as we track these numbers down.

(George responded that his 'Signal Green' gt3 from P of San
Diego has Vin # 9250)

If any of you have any knowledge of other 'Signal Green' gt3's
that fall within these Vin # parameters, please pm or email me.

*****************

For the historical record, these are photos taken of some of
these 'Signal Green' gt3s when they arrived at their dealers.
Or, in the case of Road Scholars, when listed for re-sale!

Photos:

9238 McKenna (One of two whose original specs were changed to PCCB)


​
*
9240 Road Scholars



*
9243 Porsche of Beachwood



​*
9244 Porsche of Beverly Hills



*
9248 PCNA





​*
9249 Porsche of Rancho Mirage



*
9250 Porsche of San Diego (only buyer that asked & got 'Euro Delivery'
at Zuffenhausen). George picked his up in June of 2015, which made
it the last known delivery of these 'Signal Green' gt3s to a US client!




​*
9251 Stevinson (only other one in the series with PCCB)



*
92** Momentum



*
92** Porsche of Bellevue



*****

The biggest questions regarding all of these late '15 PTS gt3
allocations to US dealers still remains unanswered!

1) Why were these PTS gt3's built when PAG announced a
moratorium on all PTS production for the balance of model
year 2015 in the fall of 2014?

2) Why were these three colors selected? And who specced
these cars? 'Porsche Exclusive' at PCNA & PAG insist they
were not consulted.

3) How were the US dealers chosen to received this 'gift'
allocation of a very valuable commodity - a PTS gt3!

We are still on the case...and will not 'rest' until we find
the answers to all of these questions. So stay tune.

Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale

Z356

I got an interesting pm from a credible Rennlister that
might shed some light as to the reason why these 30
(or so) PTS gt3s were built by Porsche as late MY2015.
I'll post the information soon...and it might tie in with
the credibility of the rumor we heard in this forum about
3rd party painting all PTS cars. So more 'fun' stuff to
come!




Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale

Z356

It's getting more interesting by the minute!

Here is the latest Vin # that has been identified with
one of the 'Signal Green' gt3s...and surprisingly it's
an even lower Vin # that expected...9237! That is
the Vin # of the 'Signal Green' gt3 allocated to P of
Bellevue in Washington State!

Here is the email I received from a source at that
dealership:

"Eduardo,

Nice to hear from you.

Here is the information on the vin# you requested:

Vin#: WPOAC2A96FS189237

Hope this helps,"

****

Here is a photo of the car we posted on our thread
when it arrived at P of Bellevue:


****

Back in early March 2015, when I first heard about
the 30 or so PTS gt3s in three colors at the LA Lit
Meet, I search wide & far across the US dealer network
to identify as many of these allocations (none had been
yet built at that time!) as possible. The GM at Stevinson
(CO), who also received a 'Signal Green' gt3, pointed me
towards Bellevue as another lucky PTS recipient. And
here is the response I got from the GM of Bellevue after
my inquiry:

Schei, Kjell
3/19/15

to me
Eduardo
Thanks for checking in. Our Signal Green car is spoken for too.
:-( I wish we had 10 of them… I will keep your name incase
something happens…

Thanks Eduardo


Kjell D Schei

Porsche Bellevue


***

What I find surprising here is the Vin #!
Take a minute to study this latest updated
list with Vin #s:


>>>VIN # ....Dealer...............State..........Owner

01) 9237.......P of Bellevue.......WA...........Unknown
02) 9238.......McKenna.............CA............Unknown
03) 9239
04) 9240.......Unknown...............NC.........Road Scholars (Kevin's)
05) 9241
06) 9242
07) 9243.......P of Beachwood.....OH.........Rennlister Z356 (Eduardo's)
08) 9244.......P of Beverly Hills....CA.........Rennlister Racingutoo
09) 9245
10) 9246
11) 9247
12) 9248........Unknown...........................PCNA
13) 9249........P of Rancho Mirage..CA......Rennlister Msmatt
14) 9250........P of San Diego.........CA......Rennlister George
15) 9251........Stevinson.................CO.....Unknown

*
There is now only one known 'Signal Green' gt3s in this
series that remains unaccounted by Vin # (Momentum's).




But we might have at least six Vin #'s that are
not yet publicly identified in this (presumed) 'Signal
Green' Vin # series!

So assuming Momentum/EricHai is one of these Vin #,
we have five other Vin #'s to document!

1) Vin # 9239
2) Vin # 9241
3) Vin # 9242
4) Vin # 9245
5) Vin # 9246
6) Vin # 9247

And that is assuming Vin # 9236 & #9252 are not
'Signal Green' gt3s!

We need assistance in accounting for these Vin #s.
Hope someone in the know can post something that
sheds some light on these missing #s...or PM or email
me in private.

Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale

Z356

Our Rennlister friend Signes reported to me that the 'Signal Green' gt3
Vin# 9251 delivered new to Stevinson (one of only two changed to PCCB
in the SG series) is now for sale as a used car by that same CO dealer:

***

***




http://www.stevinsonimports.com/Vehi...-CO/2766709463

Extremely low miles:





***

Price is not listed in the ad. If anyone knows what they are asking
for this rather unusual PTS gt3, please let us know!

Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale

nxfedlt1

Asking is 189 on the Stevenson car.

Z356

I recently posted the following on post #1011 on page 68:

Well, I have the following update on that story. Here is what
I posted today on the 991 gt3 forum:

That 'someone else' Whoopsy is referring to is me. And there
is a lesson to be learned here at Rennlist about this whole incident.
You can either take 'incomplete' information & run with it. Or you
can be more careful & measured when you post here about PTS.
And please double-check with reliable sources at PAG & PCNA
before posting definitive-sounding statements that could turn
out to be false or misleading. It's up to all of you to decide which
method gives you the most accurate information & serves best
the interest of our forum. The credibility of Rennlist as at risk.
This forum counts on you getting it right & not propagating
false rumors!



*****

Here is the history of this 'incident' for those interested in the
particulars. It all started on this thread back in late April:

****

Which leads up to Whoopsy's so-called update yesterday:

So here is the bottom line. Whoopsy's statement which
he posted on 4/23/2016 which said 'Sorry Eduardo...
True PTS are sent off to a 3rd party for all models be it
a Stuttgart production car or Leipzig production car'
was admittedly false.

And to prevent further confusion (which his original posting
has created ever since!), I feel the need to point out that
the statements made yesterday about 3rd party PTS at Leipzig,
if left unchallenged, will lead to more confusion on the topic,
not less! Let me explain:

I believe that one of Whoopsy's statement yesterday is also
incorrect & misleading. He states that "PTS is done by a 3rd
party in Leipzig. So the Panamera and Cayennes gets the 3rd
party treatment only. I was told 'all cars are painted by
3rd party' in Leipzig, which is correct in the person's point
of view as all cars from 'Leipzig' which is that factory."

This is not so. All Panameras have been welded together
& painted at a VW plant in Hanover since day one for that
model. So all Panameras are painted at Hanover, whether
it's standard color offerings or PTS. To say PTS is done by
a third party is misleading. Similarly, all Cayennes are welded,
painted & partially assembled in Bratislavia, Slovakia at another
VW Group plant. That has been the case since day one of that
model. So any Cayenne that is painted standard colors & those
rare PTS examples are done in Bratislava. The Macan is welded,
painted & assembled almost 100% at Leipzig*. I believe that
PTS Macans are done at Leipzig's state-of-the-art paint facility
& not by a 3rd party. And until they move all 718 Cayman
production to Stuttgart from the VW Group Karmann plant at
Osnabrück (expected in the future), the 981-era Caymans &
even some 981 Boxsters were welded, painted & assembled
at that facility. And that includes Cayman PTS. So to say that
this makes PTS a third party proposition Leipzig's Panamera,
Cayenne or Macan is either false or misleading. PAG doesn't
consider the Hanover, Bratislava & Osnabrück facilities as
'third party' vendors or sub-contractors, as was implied in
Whoopsy's statement.

I contacted Porsche officials after Whoopsy made his grandiose
statements on April 23rd on this forum. They refused to engage
simply because the claim he made of third party PTS was deemed
so wrong it didn't merit a response. Yet here at Rennlist, because
Whoopsy owns a 918 & attends all sorts of 918 events sponsored
by PAG, many assumed he must be 'totally in the know'. Well, that
was not the case this time around. Instead, we all got 'schooled',
or at least taken on a dubious ride, not just 'Mr. PTS'.

You, the reader, must decide what to believe you read on Rennlist
about PTS & consider carefully the sources where that information
is coming from. Also if the person relaying the 'information' has
the experience necessary to understand the larger picture behind
statements bandied about at a PAG event. So caveat emptor.

*Petrol engines are all assembled in Stuttgart. Hybrid/diesel engines
may be put together elsewhere.

***

The link to that thread is post 177:

https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...1r-pts-12.html

Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale

rosenbergendo

Are any of the newest allocation for RS's being allowed PTS?

Z356

We have not seen, or heard, of anyone in the US or ROW being
allowed 'true'* PTS on their 'new' 991 gt3 RS allocations. It appears
that the PTS window for that model closed in July of 2015 & has
never been reopened...even though some limited/additional RS
allocations have trickled out & been added since that early date.

Saludos,
Eduardo
Presently in Vail Valley, Colorado

*'True' PTS as define by allowing any color to be chosen from the
approved PTS list kept by PAG & periodically updated. 'Faux' PTS
is when PAG allows a few additional colors to be ordered that are
otherwise no cost or a lower cost 'special color' (e.g. 'Black',
'Racing Yellow' & 'Miami Blue') but charges customer as though
it was 'true' PTS!

I don't recall for a fact if they have allowed 'Faux' PTS on any of
the recent/additional RS allocations...but I don't believe so.

Racingutoo

Looks like this car is at Porsche Livermore now....