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Old 03-12-2014, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike in CA
Automobile dealer's associations have lobbied very hard against direct retail marketing by Tesla in New Jersey to make sure that existing laws continue to allow them to maintain a monopoly on selling cars.
This has been tried before. You would be surprised how powerful the dealer associations can be...as Porsche found out 30 years ago! Some of you old-timers (like Mike) will remember that Porsche tried to abolish their old dealer network in the 1980's and introduce a new concept of how to sell their cars to US customers! It was revolutionary. That is why Porsche set up shop in Reno and was ready to airfreight cars directly from Flughafen Stuttgart to Reno–Tahoe International Airport to accelerate delivery times and improved cash flow! I still have the Porsche 'offering prospectus' for the financing of these centralized facilities described in the article below. The prospectus was printed...but never distributed!

Since you can't access the Automotive News articles repeatedly and you guys have 'time to burn' before the PAG gt3 announcement, I'll post the entire article written by Karl Ludvigsen so that you can read this fascinating story at your leisure:

Porsche vs dealers: No Contest

"A generation ago, Porsche tried to replace its U.S. dealerships with a new distribution network. To the company's surprise, the dealers' legal muscle prevailed. Porsche's U.S. sales were rising and its profits were booming in the early 1980s. The company wanted more direct control of its place in the U.S. luxury market. In January 1984, the 323 U.S. dealers who sold Porsche cars learned that the company would not renew its contract with Volkswagen of America Inc., which had imported Porsches since 1969. As of September, the dealers were told, they no longer would get Porsches from VW. The other shoe dropped Feb. 15, when Porsche executives met in Reno, Nev., with the automaker's dealers. Porsche said it had set up a new company, Porsche Cars North America Inc. It would be headed by a former U.S. head of BMW, Jack Cook.

A subsidiary of the new company, Porsche Centers Inc., would set up 40 stores across the United States to sell vehicles at retail and also distribute them to dealers, said Porsche AG CEO Peter Schutz. "Each will be from a cookie cutter," Schutz told the startled dealers, "with a standard building of about 22,000 square feet on around two acres of land. Each will be in an industrial park near a major airport." All of the centers were to be up and running by the beginning of 1985, he said. Porsche would spend about $25 million to build the centers, Schutz said. In addition, Schutz and Cook hoped to attract investment in the centers by existing dealers and wealthy Porsche owners.

Going it alone

At Porsche headquarters in Stuttgart, the company's new sales chief, Mario Jon Nedelcu, explained the reasoning behind the plan. Now that VW was building cars in the United States, he said, "the quality of the marketing organization could no longer develop in sufficient measure to suit our exclusive automobiles." Schutz also was concerned about some U.S. dealers charging other dealers a hefty premium for hot Porsche models, thus inflating prices to customers. Porsche also would need a strong and efficient U.S. distribution network, Schutz knew, to fend off growing competition from Japan. Consultants assured Schutz that Porsche was within its legal rights in planning its new network. "Since we were establishing a completely new marketing apparatus," Nedelcu said, "we had no contracts and no obligations. In this situation we could establish our business as we felt it should be, and in a form which suited the product."

Agents, not dealers

Porsche assured its dealers that they weren't out in the cold. They could continue to service the cars. Acting as sales agents, they also could take orders for cars that the nearest Porsche Center would fill. But instead of maintaining their 16.7 percent dealer discount, they would have to accept 8 percent as agents. Porsche gave the dealers 60 days to decide whether they wanted to be part of the new arrangement.

Dealer groups immediately attacked the plan. The National Automobile Dealers Association said it "strikes to the heart of the franchise system." NADA vowed to "take whatever actions necessary to preserve the legitimate interest of our Porsche dealers." The American International Automobile Dealers Association said the scheme was "a frontal assault on the entire automotive franchise system and must be resisted by all automobile dealers. If Porsche can get away with this, every carmaker will try it." U.S. Porsche dealers had invested as much as $300 million in their stores, AIADA said. Porsche's plan, it argued, would "render much of this investment valueless and inflict grievous damage on these dealers."

Taking it all away

Dealers ridiculed the notion of investment partnerships in the Porsche Centers. Said Joe Herman, a Porsche dealer in Rochester, N.Y.: "It was like being told, 'We are taking your wife away, but since we know you are still interested, you can buy a piece of the bedroom set and once in a while you can come and pay a visit.' " Alan Johnson sold 200 Porsches a year at his San Diego dealership, and he raced Porsches as well. "I've developed an asset that I value very highly," he said. "Now somebody's taking that away from me." Volkswagen of America also objected to the Porsche proposal. Fortune magazine estimated that VW made more than $40 million importing Porsches in 1983.

VW found itself the target of lawsuits by its independent distributors, which said the suspension of Porsche deliveries would violate state franchise laws. To protect itself, VW filed protests against Porsche with motor vehicle boards in several states. Most states had laws that governed dealer termination and retail activity. Some prohibited automakers from selling cars directly at factory stores, a common practice in Europe. Despite the promise of lining up independent investors, the Porsche Centers smelled suspiciously like factory stores to many skeptics.

The dealers pledged to stick together. Just days after the Reno meeting, dealers contributed more than $1 million to a fund to fight the Porsche Centers plan. A new Porsche Dealers Action Committee hired law firms in Washington, D.C., and California to prepare federal suits. Dealers filed lawsuits against Porsche and VW that sought more than $3 billion in damages and penalties. They also lodged 69 administrative protests with state motor vehicle authorities. In March, Porsche gave in. Cook told dealers that the company was abandoning the Porsche Centers plan. Instead, he said, Porsche Cars North America would work directly with the traditional dealerships. It would negotiate a new franchise agreement with the Porsche Dealers Action Committee.

Following Europe's model

How did Porsche misjudge so badly? From a European vantage point, factory stores were the norm rather than a threat. Automakers in Europe could control their dealers much more rigorously, because their franchise agreements were exempted from European Community laws governing business competition. Automotive News editorialized that Porsche had made "one of the biggest retreats in the history of the auto industry. … We fear that Porsche has damaged its relationship with its dealers and that it may take a long time for the wounds to heal." Fortune said Schutz's "repeated defense of the plan before the family owners turned him into an advocate rather than an analyst ... Lacking confidence in his German executives, Schutz grew increasingly isolated as he concentrated on the specifics of his scheme." In defeat, Schutz said that "in the time available, we couldn't wrestle all the alligators. You can't take on the whole world."

Cook's tour

Cook had told his colleagues he was convinced the Porsche Centers project would succeed. He said later he was astonished by the uproar the plan created. "We obviously not only struck a nerve, but we struck a chord much deeper in the whole retail automotive dealer organization," he said.

A former BMW dealer, Cook took responsibility for the "agent" tag that had alienated many dealers. "That one is my fault," he said. "I wanted to differentiate between dealerships and the new entity." Porsche's U.S. sales windfall proved transient. As the German mark rose against the dollar later in the 1980s, prices rose and sales fell. In 1988, Cook left Porsche Cars North America. A spokesperson said, "Porsche has different plans and measures to promote sales in the United States."

Karl Ludvigsen
Automotive News
September 25, 2006


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Originally Posted by hf1
Mike, sorry for not making this clearer but I was being sarcastic.
I'm sorry it went over my head, hf1. No worries all around.....

Originally Posted by Z356
This has been tried before. You would be surprised how powerful the dealer associations can be...as Porsche found out 30 years ago! Some of you old-timers (like Mike) will remember that Porsche tried to abolish their old dealer network in the 1980's and introduce a new concept of how to sell their cars to US customers! It was revolutionary. That is why Porsche set up shop in Reno and was ready to airfreight cars directly from Flughafen Stuttgart to Reno–Tahoe International Airport to accelerate delivery times and improved cash flow! I still have the Porsche 'offering prospectus' for the financing of these centralized facilities described in the article below. The prospectus was printed...but never distributed!
Fascinating article Eduardo, thanks for posting it. I do remember that; it was right at the time I bought my first Porsche and recall talking with Frank, my salesman, about it. And let me say it's a genuine honor to be considered by you as a fellow old timer. Here's to us old guys!
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By my calculation this thread is averaging a little over 60 posts daily since first post about 30 days ago. That means we should easily hit 2000 by end of Friday.

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Originally Posted by csmarx
By my calculation this thread is averaging a little over 60 posts daily since first post about 30 days ago. That means we should easily hit 2000 by end of Friday.

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NOW....we're REALLY getting bored, reduced to predicting the 'over/under' on thread posts.....
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Originally Posted by RUF RS
NOW....we're REALLY getting bored, reduced to predicting the 'over/under' on thread posts.....
True........say, want to bet what the post traffic will be like on the day they finally make a definitive announcement?
Old 03-12-2014, 07:45 PM
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Right on Ed. I never knew that about Porsche!


In texas the auto dealers, energy industry, and alcohol distributors are among the powerful lobbying groups. Gotta protect your turf!
So much for "free markets."
Old 03-12-2014, 07:50 PM
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Suddenly I'm even more interested.
Apparently my order reached it's change freeze point today. Was listed as 3/28/14 a few days ago. Must be they want to get everyone locked as soon as they can. Delivery date is still unchanged.
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They changed my delivery date on the day it was it exit production.
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Originally Posted by Z356
This has been tried before. You would be surprised how powerful the dealer associations can be...as Porsche found out 30 years ago! Some of you old-timers (like Mike) will remember that Porsche tried to abolish their old dealer network in the 1980's and introduce a new concept of how to sell their cars to US customers! It was revolutionary. That is why Porsche set up shop in Reno and was ready to airfreight cars directly from Flughafen Stuttgart to Reno–Tahoe International Airport to accelerate delivery times and improved cash flow! I still have the Porsche 'offering prospectus' for the financing of these centralized facilities described in the article below. The prospectus was printed...but never distributed!

Since you can't access the Automotive News articles repeatedly and you guys have 'time to burn' before the PAG gt3 announcement, I'll post the entire article written by Karl Ludvigsen so that you can read this fascinating story at your leisure:

Porsche vs dealers: No Contest
Eduardo, thanks for the fascinating article. All too common occurrence in this land of the free.
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Originally Posted by 0Q991
Answer: they're idiots.
I own both GT3 and 2013 boxster S 981 but I have also owned earlier Boxsters & Caymans as well. Indeed the Boxster or the Cayman is not a GT3, but it is still a very fun car to drive on track and on the street. At least he got a boxster and not the station wagon or the SUV like some of us. Mark

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Originally Posted by A432
And one guy got a Panorama
If you are referring to me. Yes I got the family car (Panorama) as my loaner. Today was also so nice, sunny and 68F, which would I refer to as GT3 day, but unfortunately GT3 in hospital in coma waiting Dr instructions.

So in protest to this situation I decided to fix the problem. I went and bought a Fiat Abarath. a Complete Brand change..... see pictures below.

Fixed also the problem of the RWS, with buying a front wheel drive and the Automatic in GT3 with having now a 5 Speed manual. I guess thats what I am going to use for the track now instead of the GT3. Remind me of old days when I started to track my GTI in the mid 80's. Mark
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Cool!
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That's badass.

In a cute way.
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Originally Posted by mqandil
If you are referring to me. Yes I got the family car (Panorama) as my loaner.
No,he wasn't referring to you...

Very nice! I love the Abarth!
Congrats!
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Well, when we were talking about Fiats, that wasn't exactly what we meant. Cool though.


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