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add more lightness
strive for more refinement
stay na- chasing power & torque with turbos dulls the senses and strays too far from the essence.
Well I have 2 other cars that have lots of 'essence' the 964 is a quite modern platform already. Mine already weighs about 500lbs less than it did when I got it, more weight will strip convenience. The car is very raw already, borderline track only car.
If you haven't read the thread you should...
Originally Posted by cobalt
I don't agree. When properly done you will be hard pressed to tell the differences other than the added power. It is all in the tune.
Yep. have driven a few very well done turbo cars and, done well, they are nice. You do lose a bit of the noise obviously.
The idiot with a wrench. Annual service time. Due oil/filter and a brake fluid flush. Easy job.
car was on jack stands in my other garage as i had my e88 wheels rebuilt by @SupremePower great work and no more leaky! Why they were leaking at the bolts, dunno.... wheels were fine. 2 other sets had for years on my gt3rs never leaked (knock on wood)
anyway back to my handy wrenching.
hooked up the motive bleeder. I use pressure only and use it dry. Have a ball valve on the line so i can keep having to fully pump it up every time i fill reservoir...
do rears fine. Spend time wiping down the fenders and bits. Really need to power wash it...
get to front right. weird. No flow. Crap. Open bleeder let it sit. A little flow. Remove bleeder thinking clogged. Nope
30 mins later of screwing around.... my genius self didn’t open the ball valve after refilling the reservoir. Ok that job done.. pedal solid i use brembo htc64t.
off to the oil change. Put wheels on drive car to get oil to temp. Slide oil drip pan under tank and oil pan on top. Open drain Niagara Falls and none on floor! But damn does it splatter. The case drain is a less dramatic affair. Let those drain for a while.
remove filter and the genius in me forgot to punch a hole in it and the damn thing leaked oh what must have been a 1/2nqt all over the frame rail and down on the tins and on the floor.....an hour of cleaning later i likely got most of it....
and this is how a 3 hour job takes the better part of your Saturday!
November is annual service time and i have one more car to go.... gt3 got oil last week too. And a new air filter, and cleaned maf and throttle body. Drove **** out of that yesterday in the canyons.
For an NA power band with boost, just keep the original compression. You can run 7psi on pump 93 (probably also CA 91) and make 325whp at sea level on a Mustang dyno at 70 deg F. We used a Protomotive kit on my fathers 993 C4 Cab, but knowing the skills of your shop, they could build something fairly easily. That car was built with the original rods on new Mahle P/C and has held strong for 50k miles. On E85, if the motor has the bottom end to hand it, you could obviously easily make a lot more power. All without adding any turbo lag at all. I believe I read from one of 9M Colins posts back in the day that if you go this route you should look into the 993 heads vs 964, but I dont recall why. Might be worth a search, though.
For an NA power band with boost, just keep the original compression. You can run 7psi on pump 93 (probably also CA 91) and make 325whp at sea level on a Mustang dyno at 70 deg F. We used a Protomotive kit on my fathers 993 C4 Cab, but knowing the skills of your shop, they could build something fairly easily. That car was built with the original rods on new Mahle P/C and has held strong for 50k miles. On E85, if the motor has the bottom end to hand it, you could obviously easily make a lot more power. All without adding any turbo lag at all. I believe I read from one of 9M Colins posts back in the day that if you go this route you should look into the 993 heads vs 964, but I dont recall why. Might be worth a search, though.
I actually saw 330 whp and torque out of a stock compression N/A 993 engine with protomotive twin turbo at 7psi on a mustang dyno. Not bad but could have been better. The limiting factor was chipping the car instead of a stand alone ECU. If our calculations are correct and I ever get the project done, a full rebuild with custom internals, slightly adjusted compression, the latest in turbo technology and custom tune we will see a conservative 500 whp and torque on the mustang with a smooth curve. I don't see the need to go any further but can easily be achieved on pump gas.
IIRC 325whp was the average of the 3 runs. That's remarkable consistency between cars! Yes, there is definitely power to be had with a better tuning mechanism. But the car works incredibly well as is. There is always more power to be had, but lag and trouble free 400chp is a really fun place to be in a 25+ year old car. I've had a burning desire to build a wide body 964 Targa with a proper TT motor for years.
You SoCal drivers have all the fun ... I have to search for a curvy road around Chicago and I can hit it at 25 mph ... all 300 feet of it. Not fair. I'm going to ship a car and store it out there for the winter so I can fly out and drive it a few times!
That just doesn’t look fun at all- you could be shoveling snow instead!! (Trying to stay positive about the early 1.5 feet we got.)
Originally Posted by eddieb4
You SoCal drivers have all the fun ... I have to search for a curvy road around Chicago and I can hit it at 25 mph ... all 300 feet of it. Not fair. I'm going to ship a car and store it out there for the winter so I can fly out and drive it a few times!
The driving roads and car culture (ok and family, kinda) are really the only reasons I put up with this nut job state...
You could/can do car guy things almost every day of the week... all year long.
Yesterday, it was about 75 at the coast, amazingly clear, you can see from the coast the offshore islands (catalina, etc) to the coastal mountains (where angeles crest highway is... )
You SoCal drivers have all the fun ... I have to search for a curvy road around Chicago and I can hit it at 25 mph ... all 300 feet of it. Not fair. I'm going to ship a car and store it out there for the winter so I can fly out and drive it a few times!
both so and nor cal have great roads and many secret route b/n s and n.
spyerX and us nor cal nuts does annual drives b4 covid
11-06-2020, 06:00 PM
